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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=5350" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>风满楼</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo><EM id=authorposton1349805>发表于 2009-11-27 11:49 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1349805><FONT size=4><FONT color=blue><STRONG>其实有什么好争论的,刀口兄在这里煞费苦心的解说有必要吗?明白人看一看J10首次权威确认(洋视新闻)时间到今年空军60年生日庆祝时放开外形保密(让洋鬼子近距离亵玩)和外销消息的出现时间之间的间隔,再结合老共的保密惯性(“老毛病”)和做法,要说丝带是J10大改的忽悠还有人信尚可以原谅的话,说8年内丝带能出来就关门的话只能说纯粹是在用屁股当嘴了。是不明真相的围观群众傻,还是bkc聪明,值得计较吗?8年内不就水落石出了吗?从我在95年知道J10的时候到她第一次亮相是多少年,现在多少年?<BR>一万年太久,只争朝夕!</STRONG></FONT></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=16598" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>六十雄</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1349814>发表于 2009-11-27 11:57 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1349814>嗯,这样说,就差“首飞礼”了。 <BR>好,提气~~<BR>中国大转型的又一个重要节点。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=62579" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>风光</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1349877>发表于 2009-11-27 12:54 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>风满楼</I> 于 2009-11-27 11:49 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1349805&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>其实有什么好争论的,刀口兄在这里煞费苦心的解说有必要吗?明白人看一看J10首次权威确认(洋视新闻)时间到今年空军60年生日庆祝时放开外形保密(让洋鬼子近距离亵玩)和外销消息的出现时间之间的间隔,再结合老共的 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>太有说服力了!<BR>从历史的角度来看问题,往往一看一个准!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=41586" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>上海一针</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1349932>发表于 2009-11-27 01:34 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=56517" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>oldoak</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1349966>发表于 2009-11-27 02:06 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-26 17:52 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1348986&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>中国的歼十是世界上唯一没有在试飞中因为电传系统出错而坠毁的国家,连F22都不能幸免,22而且不是做什么高难度动作,就是降落过程突然出错而坠毁。歼十却没有,这说明我们研究的扎实和研究方向的正确,软件可靠性高。 ... <BR><STRONG>发动机有他的特殊规律,需要在使用中找出问题,解决问题,一旦成熟就算彻底吃到和掌握了</STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 我的理解我们已经掌握了发动机的特殊规律了,下面就该关注其它部件了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=86457" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>我——</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1349989>发表于 2009-11-27 02:26 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>天地浮云</I> 于 2009-11-22 13:29 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1343086&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR><BR>记得90年代时放的记录片,我国把60年代打下来的U2 SR71的飞机残骸拼起来展览,而且拼得相当完整。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><A href="http://img2.pict.com/2e/35/fc/2066112/0/091126170475d06e69c5c934ac5b15d..jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://img2.pict.com/2e/35/fc/2066112/0/091126170475d06e69c5c934ac5b15d..jpg</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff><IMG alt="" src="http://img2.pict.com/2e/35/fc/2066112/0/091126170475d06e69c5c934ac5b15d..jpg"><BR><BR></FONT><A href="http://img2.pict.com/08/32/71/2066114/0/0911261704ad40d0f8858efca25b15d..jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://img2.pict.com/08/32/71/2066114/0/0911261704ad40d0f8858efca25b15d..jpg</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff><IMG alt="" src="http://img2.pict.com/08/32/71/2066114/0/0911261704ad40d0f8858efca25b15d..jpg"><BR><BR></FONT>[<I> 本帖最后由 我—— 于 2009-11-27 03:13 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=95118" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>hu14</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350005>......我说,你们不要这么乐观行不行。人家总师拍胸脯也不过担保明年年底以前首飞,就这个还吓死一堆人呢。综合430节点的说法,大概是明年春原型机完成<BR>倒是CF,自己做了一些有趣的验证机出来一直在偷偷的飞,但那些不是四代。黄田坝附近发现双发双垂尾飞机在飞的传言已经流传一阵子了<BR>顺便,关键词是“黑”......有意思,不是黄皮,而是黑涂装</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350042>发表于 2009-11-27 03:06 PM</EM>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350042>其实发动机只要解决钛合金材料及其加工成型,应该问题就不大了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo><EM id=authorposton1350050>发表于 2009-11-27 03:11 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>hu14</I> 于 2009-11-27 02:40 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350005&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>......我说,你们不要这么乐观行不行。人家总师拍胸脯也不过担保明年年底以前首飞,就这个还吓死一堆人呢。综合430节点的说法,大概是明年春原型机完成<BR>倒是CF,自己做了一些有趣的验证机出来一直在偷偷的飞,但那些 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>huzhigeng大?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=36938" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>爱人在北回归线</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350058>刀口兄说的不错,很提气!<BR>汉风兄也说了,2015见!我想这不仅仅是丝带,还包括其他一些猛东东出来</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=95118" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>hu14</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350068>发表于 2009-11-27 03:23 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>iamkroos</I> 于 2009-11-27 03:11 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350050&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9874360119262842 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>huzhigeng大? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>不是,那个是有料的老大。我是听消息的小白</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=4269" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>刀口</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350325>发表于 2009-11-27 06:28 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350325>不信你就等着首飞礼吧?<BR>首飞礼必须是在有把握的情况下才举行的,中国特色,其实特在什么地方?就特色在这个形式上。<BR>首飞礼,其实就是汇报成果,如果还不知道飞机会不会出事,小刀剌屁股=玩悬的,摔在领导面前,这个项目你是想干不想干了?不想干就早说,搞大家一个灰头土脸的算干嘛地?哪不是猫舔狗鼻梁=嘬死吗? <BR>所以,首飞是礼而不是玩悬的。<BR>哪什么叫“积极稳妥,万无一失”呀,万无一失是结果,不是过程。你应该积极稳妥,这个过程领导是督促,真的要你汇报了,就是看这个“万无一失”的。你要是不行就接着搞,搞什么首飞礼?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350335>发表于 2009-11-27 06:38 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-27 06:28 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350325&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9244413394146969 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>不信你就等着首飞礼吧?<BR>首飞礼必须是在有把握的情况下才举行的,中国特色,其实特在什么地方?就特色在这个形式上。<BR>首飞礼,其实就是汇报成果,如果还不知道飞机会不会出事,小刀剌屁股=玩悬的,摔在领导面前,这 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>.介个介个嘛......刀大对中国特色果然是深入其境、异常熟悉.....{:soso_e127:}&nbsp;{:soso_e127:}&nbsp;{:soso_e107:} {:soso_e107:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=94240" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>活捉SHE</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350336>发表于 2009-11-27 06:39 PM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350336>到时候看看形势的需要,很有可能透明到用多个机位转播一下从机库滑车出来的特写,呵呵,然后漫天彩带。。。。。<BR>做了个梦,呵呵</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=5818" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>兽血沸腾</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350340>发表于 2009-11-27 06:46 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350340>多谢刀大的解释。<BR>很多大型国有企业有计划经济的惯性。<BR>就拿碳纤维来说吧,是个私营老板做起来,短短的几年时间就可以量产了。虽然离优秀还有些距离,但先解决有无的问题,再继续发展。军工产品和民用产品一起做,一起打天下。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=95118" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>hu14</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350351>发表于 2009-11-27 06:56 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350351>首飞礼这个事情,在枭龙首飞的时候确实发生过,拜川舵爬墙党之赐,不少网友在正式首飞以前就看见了枭龙飞舞在天空。不过要依此推论四代现在就飞过了什么的,就有点.....现在去成飞厂房,可以看见样机倒是真的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=94240" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>活捉SHE</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350360>发表于 2009-11-27 07:05 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>hu14</I> 于 2009-11-27 06:56 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350351&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5245524527447151 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>首飞礼这个事情,在枭龙首飞的时候确实发生过,拜川舵爬墙党之赐,不少网友在正式首飞以前就看见了枭龙飞舞在天空。不过要依此推论四代现在就飞过了什么的,就有点.....现在去成飞厂房,可以看见样机倒是真的 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>全尺寸样机就在某库,呵呵,天天被人动手动脚的,像个特护病房“插着一身管子的病人”,接近全状态的静力机嘛。。。呵呵。算算怎么配重吧<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 活捉SHE 于 2009-11-27 07:06 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350362>发表于 2009-11-27 07:07 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350362>赶上好时候啦!<BR>能够听到见到这么多好的东西下线,装备,形成战斗力,已经很欣慰了!<BR>我从识字起就喜欢武器军备!晓得米格飞机是苏联的,还非常喜欢雄猫。<BR>我有意识的了解国产军备是初中以后,那时知道了J7,J8。欣喜于J8II终于两边进气了。了解到80式,88式,惊喜于90II终于不是圆脑袋了。感慨于我们的军舰总是吨位小,样子丑!<BR>为了生活,求学,工作,娶妻生子。以为生活就这样平淡下去!<BR>但生活总给你意想不到惊喜,总能勾起你最原始的渴望和激情!<BR>看!99改来了,太猛了!看!JH7,J10,KJ2000来了,太爽了!看!170来了,太帅了!看!040来了,太酷了!哇,还有022,简直科幻啊。。。。。。。。。<BR>眼泪哗哗的啊!。。本以为这些东东也只有MD,SX才能搞出来!我们也有了啊!!!<BR>不远的将来还有更猛的HM、丝带、KT。。。。哈哈!此生有幸啊!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350373>不知道他们美国人的卫星每天监视着CF SF,这些测试飞机要怎么飞才能躲过贼眼???</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>wolf-zhang</I> 于 2009-11-27 07:16 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350373&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7445130527447679 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>不知道他们美国人的卫星每天监视着CF SF,这些测试飞机要怎么飞才能躲过贼眼??? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>呵呵,那么简单?<BR>如果是,那就不躲,没参数,就当写真了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-27 06:28 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350325&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5093647005860535 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>不信你就等着首飞礼吧?<BR>首飞礼必须是在有把握的情况下才举行的,中国特色,其实特在什么地方?就特色在这个形式上。<BR>首飞礼,其实就是汇报成果,如果还不知道飞机会不会出事,小刀剌屁股=玩悬的,摔在领导面前,这 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>嘿嘿,不怕摔的那是阿三。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>hu14</I> 于 2009-11-27 06:56 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350351&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.2889495498855715 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>首飞礼这个事情,在枭龙首飞的时候确实发生过,拜川舵爬墙党之赐,不少网友在正式首飞以前就看见了枭龙飞舞在天空。不过要依此推论四代现在就飞过了什么的,就有点.....现在去成飞厂房,可以看见样机倒是真的 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>呵呵,刚才我也怀疑你是胡子,虽然你说不是,可也必然是个有料之人啊。{:soso_e100:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350457>按照刀口兄的话,隐形和反隐形等等咱们从70年代干已经多少年了。<BR>J-10从技术源头上论,是从60年代开干的J-9的基础上发展出来的。4代从70年代某个型号延续下来一点都不意外,在那个年代是充满激情和想象力的年代,只是基础的薄弱不能将设想变成成熟的产品罢了。<BR>————J-XX来源于79年的某早期型号探索,通过了这么长时间的预研积累,经过J-10等3代打下的雄厚工程基础,从而实现了凤凰涅槃!<BR>------------------------------------<BR>4代据说已经有一大票的人士见过了,主辅机所啦,同步开展的工艺制作人员啦,试飞员啦.........新一代的专家型试飞员培训的八股文早就报道过了,就是为4代准备的。<BR>刀口兄咱记得是讨论J-10时,是本坛最早敢说<FONT color=red>“抬过新型机翅膀”</FONT>的人士,现在本帖中敢于如此肯定的说一些结论性的东西,俺大大地怀疑!——<FONT color=red>刀口非常可能就是“一大票已经见过4代机人士”中的一员</FONT>!{:soso_e102:}&nbsp;{:soso_e102:} {:soso_e102:}<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2009-11-27 08:32 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350587>要说中国如果获得过美国什么隐身技术,那也不是U2、SR71之流,隐身方面那都是小儿科,而是BD2(?)(型号记不清楚了,但是确实有这么一个东东)隐身无人侦察机,这东西在“隐身”方面采用了很多新技术,上世纪大约60~70年代,美国试验性质的装备了几架,有两架坠毁的跟中国有关,一架在中国西部执行任务时“失踪”,另外一架也是在中国上空执行完任务后因“不明原因”坠毁在中国南海,这两架的残骸有可能都被中国获得或部分获得,尤其是中国西部失踪那架。<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 人在征途 于 2009-11-27 09:41 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>布衣青裳</I> 于 2009-11-27 08:30 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350457&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.057034283795739216 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>按照刀口兄的话,隐形和反隐形等等咱们从70年代干已经多少年了。<BR>J-10从技术源头上论,是从60年代开干的J-9的基础上发展出来的。4代从70年代某个型号延续下来一点都不意外,在那个年代是充满激情和想象力的年代,只 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>歼十,特别是几批后的歼十移植和试验了部分四代技术,这也是美国的做法,但是美国和西方各国武官在沙河看见的歼十脸这些技术也没有展示。<BR>歼十可以看,但是四代却是不能看的,尤其是拍照,虽然一张照片说明不了什么,但是毕竟外形就是四代隐身性能的一部分,所以,四代的外形现在很难有人说的准确。就是标榜自己透明的美国,在F22真正露面前,也一点也没有披露出来。美国的有关方面为了掩饰真正的F22,甚至假门假事的没收了一种玩具,结果大家把目光全集中到玩具上,以为玩具的外形就是22的外形,一时洛阳纸贵,玩具商赚了个大钱。<BR>如果玩具商都能做出F22的外形,美国的科技水平岂不就是玩具的水平?但是等真正的22出来,惊叹之余,也为手里的玩具感到尴尬。<BR>不良书商现在说的青蛙,不过是专职小白先声夺人的战术,企图在心理上占个上风,手法卑劣,心理阴暗。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350650>发表于 2009-11-27 10:21 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350650>&nbsp;{:soso_e114:}用了三天时间,完整看完了《大秦帝国》,晕,对历史课本里的商君有了新的认识。这51级电视剧,精彩!精彩!精彩!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350676>发表于 2009-11-27 10:34 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>喀秋莎200</I> 于 2009-11-27 10:21 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350650&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>&nbsp;{:soso_e114:}用了三天时间,完整看完了《大秦帝国》,晕,对历史课本里的商君有了新的认识。这51级电视剧,精彩!精彩!精彩! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>艺术和历史往往各有特点,呵呵。打住打住。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350690>几个月前,国内好些地方听见天空传出莫名其妙的巨响。我也听到了,本地的电视台报道,有的地方天花都被震了下来!其中有一次巨响后,紧跟着是飞机发动机的声音。我怀疑这声音就是丝带在试验超音速巡航造成的音爆。{:soso_e130:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350696>发表于 2009-11-27 10:46 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>鸿</I> 于 2009-11-27 10:42 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350690&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>几个月前,国内好些地方听见天空传出莫名其妙的巨响。我也听到了,本地的电视台报道,有的地方天花都被震了下来!其中有一次巨响后,紧跟着是飞机发动机的声音。我怀疑这声音就是丝带在试验超音速巡航造成的音爆。:f ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR> 就是重庆出现的 天空音爆,淡定,淡定{:soso_e107:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350749>发表于 2009-11-27 11:26 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350749>10年首飞,11年交给空军试飞大队,三年的性能试飞,14年试产,15,16年空军组织个七八架搞适应训练,搞对抗,编飞行手册,17年正式装备一个中队。注意成飞应在14年开始建四代厂房,或许厂房在沈飞?二年建成。最值得注意的就是发动机的进度,也是最不能确定的,怎么着也得在11年上高空台吧,赶上14年试产吧。要我排就是这样的进度,也符合何副司令的说法。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350770>发表于 2009-11-27 11:53 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>menhulu</I> 于 2009-11-27 11:26 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350749&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>10年首飞,11年交给空军试飞大队,三年的性能试飞,14年试产,15,16年空军组织个七八架搞适应训练,搞对抗,编飞行手册,17年正式装备一个中队。注意成飞应在14年开始建四代厂房,或许厂房在沈飞?二年建成。最值得 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>首飞说到底就是个文字游戏。<BR>第一次飞起来不是首飞,前面已经说过了。我坚持2015年成军。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350786>发表于 2009-11-28 12:11 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>鸿</I> 于 2009-11-27 10:42 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350690&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>几个月前,国内好些地方听见天空传出莫名其妙的巨响。我也听到了,本地的电视台报道,有的地方天花都被震了下来!其中有一次巨响后,紧跟着是飞机发动机的声音。我怀疑这声音就是丝带在试验超音速巡航造成的音爆。:f ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>那是飞机突破音障的声音。<BR>一般来说,沿海方向的PLA进行这样的训练似乎不多,毕竟是人口密集的省份。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350789>其实挺希望明年下半年收费后不久就能看见照片的,现在看来估计还是要11年初之后..</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350790>昨天晚上开始,普京访问法国,找希拉克吃了顿晚饭,今天签字仪式。<BR>俄国人到法国一共两件事儿,一个是和法国电力公司的合作,还有就是落实买法国军舰的事儿。<BR>再看看咱们这个帖子里的内容。<BR>俄国人现在得多郁闷。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350792>刀大,中国什么时候击落过SR-71?我也算是个军迷,从81年就可使看兵器知识,怎么没听说过,请证实一下。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350794>CD上对MD的无人隐身机D21讨论的厉害,航博里那架残骸据说就是D21真身,不知刀大如何看待,另外,684楼的照片是在中国拍的?SR71被打下来过?有点意思</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350816>发表于 2009-11-28 12:28 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>人在征途</I> 于 2009-11-27 09:39 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350587&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>要说中国如果获得过美国什么隐身技术,那也不是U2、SR71之流,隐身方面那都是小儿科,而是BD2(?)(型号记不清楚了,但是确实有这么一个东东)隐身无人侦察机,这东西在“隐身”方面采用了很多新技术,上世纪大约60 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>你现在去航博可以在垃圾堆里面找到它......D21</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350817>发表于 2009-11-28 12:29 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>大象无形</I> 于 2009-11-28 12:16 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350792&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>刀大,中国什么时候击落过SR-71?我也算是个军迷,从81年就可使看兵器知识,怎么没听说过,请证实一下。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>实事求是的说没有,80年代后SR71就不来中国了,而且我们没有击落SR71的记录。<BR>进入90年代,SR71退出现役。如果我们击落过SR71那是要大书特书的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350824>发表于 2009-11-28 12:37 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>萍水相锋</I> 于 2009-11-28 12:17 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350794&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>CD上对MD的无人隐身机D21讨论的厉害,航博里那架残骸据说就是D21真身,不知刀大如何看待,另外,684楼的照片是在中国拍的?SR71被打下来过?有点意思 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>684楼的照片上的SR71如果是坠毁早摔烂了,哪里能有这样完整?<BR>我们注意看那个小卡车,典型的美国货。<BR>70-80年代我们也没有图上的房子和栅栏式的铁丝网。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350825>发表于 2009-11-28 12:37 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-28 12:29 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350817&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>实事求是的说没有,80年代后SR71就不来中国了,而且我们没有击落SR71的记录。<BR>进入90年代,SR71退出现役。如果我们击落过SR71那是要大书特书的。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>谢谢回复,那张SR-71残骸照片是怎么回事呢?看建筑像中国的,人看不太清,白衬衫也像中国军队。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1350895>发表于 2009-11-28 02:43 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>大象无形</I> 于 2009-11-28 12:37 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350825&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>谢谢回复,那张SR-71残骸照片是怎么回事呢?看建筑像中国的,人看不太清,白衬衫也像中国军队。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>A-12 M-21&nbsp;&nbsp;YF-12&nbsp;&nbsp;SR-71A 和SR-71B加在一起,一共有20架长得像'SR-71'的飞机落到地上.其中有6次是在起降时发生的事故,有可能见得到比较完整的残骸.仅靠一张照片是不能获得更多具体情况的.但从两张照片的对比可以发现,损害程度完全不同.应该是两次不同的事故.<BR><BR>其中上一张照片中机头的结构和机身保存得相对完整的情况上分析,上图很可能是1966年8月14号坠毁于爱德华兹空军基地的60-6934号YF-12A.这一架是所有损失中保存最完好的.后半段机身被直接拆下来造61-7981号SR-71C<BR><BR>第二图则判断不出是哪一起的事故.<BR><BR>总之黑鸟如果在飞行中坠毁或者被击落.结构不可能保存得这么完整的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1350914>进入90年代以前,双3巡航几乎是一件绝对安全的事.只要飞机自身的RWR和ECM还能工作,理论上来说只有战术激光能产生威胁.根据苏军测算报告,S-300P的发射站要布属在航线正角距离20KM范围内5V-55R才能对双2.5高速直线袭来的MIG-25BM产生威胁.对于双3指标的有人飞行器来说,使用V-755导弹的S-75M系统,理论上没有命中的可能性</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-27 11:53 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350770&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.0688398641773158 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>首飞说到底就是个文字游戏。<BR>第一次飞起来不是首飞,前面已经说过了。我坚持2015年成军。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>支持刀兄这个说法。汉风兄也说了,2015见。他说的应该不只是丝带,呵呵 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1351167>我们看这张图上的SR71,它的两个垂直尾翼是全动型的,而且已经偏转,锋面向照片。<BR>小汤山的那个残骸,尾翼是固定的,方向舵已经掉了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1351182>天下武功唯快不破,高空高速还是很牛X的。再次支持下八爷!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>2007jxsd</I> 于 2009-11-28 11:02 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1351182&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.47153306585513804 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>天下武功唯快不破,高空高速还是很牛X的。再次支持下八爷! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>一招鲜,吃遍天</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>锐持</I> 于 2009-11-28 03:24 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350914&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3503728058121649 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>进入90年代以前,双3巡航几乎是一件绝对安全的事.只要飞机自身的RWR和ECM还能工作,理论上来说只有战术激光能产生威胁.根据苏军测算报告,S-300P的发射站要布属在航线正角距离20KM范围内5V-55R才能对双2.5高速直线袭来 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>进入90年代初期,中国的激光武器的射程已经达到15公里有效射程,SR71在双三的条件下几乎没有机动的能力,偏移航向至少需要25公里,也就是25秒左右,激光武器完全可以“长时间”的固定瞄准点,可以烧穿了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1351221>进入90年代初期,中国的激光武器的射程已经达到15公里有效射程 算不算官泄</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1351275>早先SR71来犯,天气晴好肉眼都可以看见,一般是空军出动歼七拦截,从东南沿海起飞在河北的沧州机场降。毛子的派35雷达一看见它,许多人就跑到洞库外大呼小叫的指着它喊叫,老人说的。<BR>所以激光拦截它根本不是问题。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1351395>发表于 2009-11-28 02:41 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-28 11:22 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1351202&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6562747226695578 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>进入90年代初期,中国的激光武器的射程已经达到15公里有效射程,SR71在双三的条件下几乎没有机动的能力,偏移航向至少需要25公里,也就是25秒左右,激光武器完全可以“长时间”的固定瞄准点,可以烧穿了。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>哈哈,刀大泄了!看来俺们的激光武器确实牛啊!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>zy76</I> 于 2009-11-27 07:07 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350362&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.619513781129778 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>赶上好时候啦!<BR>能够听到见到这么多好的东西下线,装备,形成战斗力,已经很欣慰了!<BR>我从识字起就喜欢武器军备!晓得米格飞机是苏联的,还非常喜欢雄猫。<BR>我有意识的了解国产军备是初中以后,那时知道了J7,J8。 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>哇!大哥握个手,你说的简直就和我想的一模一样啊!确实,作为新一代的中国人真是值得骄傲!!!<BR>感谢所有为了我们国家,为了我们民族而奋斗的前辈们!!!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>人在征途</I> 于 2009-11-27 09:39 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350587&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6548663516668118 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>要说中国如果获得过美国什么隐身技术,那也不是U2、SR71之流,隐身方面那都是小儿科,而是BD2(?)(型号记不清楚了,但是确实有这么一个东东)隐身无人侦察机,这东西在“隐身”方面采用了很多新技术,上世纪大约60 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>征途兄,本坛子有几篇介绍飞机超音速发展的加亮帖子说我们国家捡到了2架BD2,其中在云南的热带密林中捞到一架差不多完好的,赚大发了,哈哈 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1351508>发表于 2009-11-28 04:23 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>逍遥蜀客</I> 于 2009-11-28 02:41 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1351395&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.07733167916587341 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>哈哈,刀大泄了!看来俺们的激光武器确实牛啊! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>这个以前说过很多次了,反驳的很少。<BR>奥巴马上台后,砍掉了F22的项目和导弹防御系统里诸多项目,唯独保留并增加拨款的就是ABL,即机载激光武器系统,说明美国对持续发展激光武器的重视。<BR>世界上不少发达国家不搞激光武器主要是投入大、技术复杂、使用受限制等,我们发展是根据我们的防御作战的需求以及作战样式的需求。激光武器是杀手锏,有战略威慑作用,是制止敌人扩大战争的手段,是严重削弱敌人优势转化力量对比的利器。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1351531>发表于 2009-11-28 04:39 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-28 12:37 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350824&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7182585783738067 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>684楼的照片上的SR71如果是坠毁早摔烂了,哪里能有这样完整?<BR>我们注意看那个小卡车,典型的美国货。<BR>70-80年代我们也没有图上的房子和栅栏式的铁丝网。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>刀大的分析就是牛!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1351545>发表于 2009-11-28 04:48 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1351579>发表于 2009-11-28 05:34 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<H2>【转载】中国展现太空雄心</H2>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1351589>发表于 2009-11-28 05:40 PM</EM> |&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>青峰奕柯</I> 于 2009-11-28 05:34 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1351579&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>【转载】中国展现太空雄心!<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 美、法媒体对我探月工程的新评述。<BR><BR><A href="http://static5.photo.sina.com.cn/bmiddle/55255c85t796ad6ac0354&amp;690" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://static5.photo.sina.com.cn ... 96ad6ac0354&amp;690</FONT></A> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>老哥, 你的图看不见<BR>我上张报纸<BR> 1.jpg </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1351840>发表于 2009-11-28 08:27 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1351840>按照过去发展的轨迹,我们在研制4代的同时,一定也在开始5代机的预研攻关了!<BR>打开国门前的中国,霉菌被打下来的东西成了我们难得的技术参考途径,今天开放的中国拥有更加清晰的未来技术展望视野。<BR>国家的意志,雄厚的经济基础,攀登高级产业的发展必然,再加上科技人员的刻苦,中国迎接4代的步伐是坚实的。<BR>不断调整的运行机制,不断发展的激励手段,可以让我们更快更好的完成目标。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352115>2009年11月18日出版的英国《简氏防务周刊》刊发论述有关中国第五代战斗机的文章,简氏提到了有关“中国第五代战机的原型机最早将在2010年首飞、配备12-13吨推力的FSW10A/WS10A型涡扇发动机”的传闻,并特别提到:据报道,中国将获得多达300架这种五代战机。<BR><BR>文章首先提到,中国空军(PLAAF)副司令员何为荣将军表示,中国的“第四代战机”(在西方被认为是第五代战机)将“很快”首飞,将在8-10年后装备部队。11月8日的这个表示在中国的国家电视台播出,这是中国第二位军官对有关新型战机项目的表态。<BR><BR>  简氏防务周刊的文章接着提到,在2009年4月份,中国人民解放军海军(PLA Navy)举行了建立60周年庆祝活动,中国海军司令员吴胜利将军在阐述未来需求的几种新一代武器装备时,提到了具备“超音速巡航”的作战飞机。<BR><BR>  简氏防务周刊的文章继而评论说,除了上述两次表态,人们对有关中国第四代/第五代战斗机项目的真正了解很有限。就在何为荣将军的表态之前,未经证实的有关中国第五代战斗机的数据在互联网上广泛流传着,这些网络上的消息说“中国第五代战机的原型机最早将在2010年首飞,配备12-13吨推力的FSW10A/WS10A型涡扇发动机,而计划中的推力为15吨的WS-15型发动机尚未成熟。”简氏防务周刊的文章接着提到一句:据报道,中国将获得多达300架这种战机(五代机)。<BR><BR>  简氏文章还说,很久以来,人们就预计中国的下一代战斗机将具备超音速巡航的能力,采用隐身技术,配备先进的电子系统,比如主动扫描相控阵雷达,采用推力矢量发动机以实现超机动性。成飞(Chengdu Aircraft Corporation)被认为正在寻求一种配备双发动机的鸭式三角翼布局隐身战机设计,沈飞(Shenyang Aircraft Corporation)则被认为寻求一种传统布局的双发动机战机的设计,但是最近的武器展览上展出了先进的融合了前/后掠翼(forward and)因素的鸭式三角翼设计布局。来自中国的消息还暗示,或许有一种中型战斗机项目,以便作为重型五代战机的补充。<BR><BR>  简氏防务周刊的文章还评论说,中国空军副司令员的表态看起来与美国情报机构的评估有所抵触。美国国防部长罗伯特-盖茨曾在7月16日表示,在2020年美国空军(US Air Force)将拥有总数接近1,100架的由最先进五代战机F-35和F-22组成的战斗机部队,而预计中国在2020年之前不会拥有五代战机,而且到2025年,这种差距会进一步拉大,到那时,美国将拥有大约1,700架最先进的五代战机。这一声明是为平衡国会要扩大F-22A生产(超过187架)的要求的。(落晖/侍卫)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352147>前掠翼方案应该是DB地区提出的,至于为什么是这样的非常好理解,据说被J方认为非常的不思进取,这个“SHY分厂”本是想取巧的,还是三线厂实在啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352149>有关四代,技术性能要根据装备总量上推测,这似乎更客观和准确。<BR>从歼十B的改造我们可以看出,中国需要一种低档战斗机作为四代的补充,并逐渐由四代本身的高低搭档所替代。这与网上猜测的“中国是目前在研的战斗机型号最多的国家”是吻合的。<BR>首先,我们的周边虽然将出现不少有F35这样所谓四代战斗机的国家,但是,各国装备的数量将非常有限。F35的价格已飙升至7000万美元,连小日本都只准备装备40架,棒子可能就更少了。<BR>中国装备的四代机主要的作战对象是以美国为首的四代集群,我们不可能拿类似F35这样的低档四代与美国的F22去PK,当然要以重歼击机对重歼击机。<BR>这从我们拒绝买苏联的米格29只买苏27上就看的出来,这种基本的装备体制将延续到四代机,这是可以肯定的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>perry家族</I> 于 2009-11-28 11:08 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352147&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>前掠翼方案应该是DB地区提出的,至于为什么是这样的非常好理解,据说被J方认为非常的不思进取,这个“SHY分厂”本是想取巧的,还是三线厂实在啊 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>前掠翼的什么性能不够好?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352185>前掠翼相比于传统后掠翼飞机具有结构、机动、以及可控度上几方面的优势,如低速性能好,可用升力大,机翼的气动效率高,更高的缠斗操控能力和更高的升阻比。但是前掠翼容易产生弯曲变形,在一定(临界)速度下,这种现象会形成恶性循环,直到使机翼折断。为了提高临界速度,需要付出增加结构重量等代价。大家可以看出前掠翼对低速机动性有好处,但这个好处到底有多大,是否值得……我认为从我国对重型飞机的告诉要求看,是不会选择前掠翼的;从参照美国F22、F23的选型经验看,也是一样的……武器选型是取一个折中点……</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352191>发表于 2009-11-28 11:41 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352191>俺真希望能给家族兄沏上一壶上好的铁观音,让您停留的时间久一些!!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352205>发表于 2009-11-28 11:51 PM</EM> |&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>电死个人</I> 于 2009-11-14 11:54 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1332255&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR> 老刀兴奋不已,特发帖抒怀。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>小民兴奋不已,特顶贴抒怀!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352206>发表于 2009-11-28 11:52 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>perry家族</I> 于 2009-11-28 11:37 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352185&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>前掠翼相比于传统后掠翼飞机具有结构、机动、以及可控度上几方面的优势,如低速性能好,可用升力大,机翼的气动效率高,更高的缠斗操控能力和更高的升阻比。但是前掠翼容易产生弯曲变形,在一定(临界)速度下,这种 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><FONT size=7>一不小心坐了家族大大的地板啊!{:soso_e116:}</FONT> {:soso_e116:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352213>发表于 2009-11-28 11:56 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-27 06:28 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350325&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>不信你就等着首飞礼吧?<BR>首飞礼必须是在有把握的情况下才举行的,中国特色,其实特在什么地方?就特色在这个形式上。<BR>首飞礼,其实就是汇报成果,如果还不知道飞机会不会出事,小刀剌屁股=玩悬的,摔在领导面前,这 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR> <BR><FONT size=5>刀大的话太提气了,不顶不行啊!</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352220>发表于 2009-11-29 12:03 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-27 11:53 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1350770&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>首飞说到底就是个文字游戏。<BR>第一次飞起来不是首飞,前面已经说过了。我坚持2015年成军。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><FONT size=5>高兴的晕了{:soso_e134:}</FONT>&nbsp;{:soso_e134:} {:soso_e134:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352221>金雕出来这么多年也没有成军,经济实力是一方面性能也一定有问题,要不毛子怎么样也要做点来撑撑场面</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-28 11:22 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1351202&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>进入90年代初期,中国的激光武器的射程已经达到15公里有效射程,SR71在双三的条件下几乎没有机动的能力,偏移航向至少需要25公里,也就是25秒左右,激光武器完全可以“长时间”的固定瞄准点,可以烧穿了。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>&nbsp;{:soso_e134:}{:soso_e134:}&nbsp;{:soso_e134:} <BR><FONT size=5>额滴神啊!这次是真晕啦!</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>正义自有力量</I> 于 2009-11-28 05:40 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1351589&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>老哥, 你的图看不见<BR>我上张报纸<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><FONT size=5>正义兄辛苦了!</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352244>&nbsp;{:soso_e116:}{:soso_e116:}&nbsp;{:soso_e116:} <BR>最猛的就是肉肉了!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352286>关于d21网上早就有不少内容了吧<BR>这里有些图,很酷啊,什么时候中国才能搞出这么好看的飞行器<BR><A href="http://bbs.voc.com.cn/topic-219888-1-1.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://bbs.voc.com.cn/topic-219888-1-1.html</FONT></A><BR><BR>马杰三回忆录披露共军曾经捡到了美军的D21无人机<BR><BR>一 个 意 外 的 “ 收 获 ”<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;由于美军入侵云南的无人驾驶高空侦察机多次被我空军击落。他们不甘心失败,又研制出了一种更为先进的无人驾驶高空侦察机,它不但体积小,而且速度和高度都有了更大的提高。它使用了更为先进的冲压式喷气发动机以及当时世界上最先进的照相侦察设备。采用了大量的新材料、新工艺、新结构……。我们称它是“高度3万3,速度3千3”。当时世界上最先进的歼击机(包括苏联和美国自己)都无法将其击落,就连当时的地空导弹都没有它飞得快。依我空军当时的装备和技术手段是无法将其击落的,我们也只能掌握一些它的一般情况。这种飞机在云南地区上空共活动过4次,在最后一次入侵时出了故障,转弯时突然从空中掉了下来,坠落到云南省西双版纳境内,在热带雨林里来了一个“软着陆”,竟保存得如此完好。这对我们来讲真可以说是从天上掉下了一个“宝贝”,当地民兵和边防部队把现场很好地保护了起来。后来北京来的科研人员将飞机残骸运到北京去做科学研究。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;这个意外的收获对我们航空科研有着非同寻常的的意义。后来我们在航空领域的许多科研成果,都与这次收获有关。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;美军飞机坠落后,他们一时也没有搞清失事的原因。当时,还误认为是被我空军击落的。从那以后就再也不敢来了。<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 lv0205 于 2009-11-29 01:38 AM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352427>发表于 2009-11-29 09:04 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352427>肉多多的图地点应该是沈阳,成都不采暖的嘛,那就是JZJ了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352445>“高度3万3,速度3千3”<BR>-----------------------------<BR>双三只有黑鸟和米格25及31,还没听说在中国掉下来过。。。<BR><BR>无人机,那就更扯了。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352450>763楼的图,那是个PS的图!呵呵!<BR>心急啊,但是不能作假哦</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352451>这宝贝和“Huzhigen”的描述有点距离哈。。。<BR><IMG alt="" src="http://www.tu5.com.cn/free0912a10/1259458198x-744457719.jpg"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>perry家族</I> 于 2009-11-28 11:37 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352185&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7600069694593325 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>前掠翼相比于传统后掠翼飞机具有结构、机动、以及可控度上几方面的优势,如低速性能好,可用升力大,机翼的气动效率高,更高的缠斗操控能力和更高的升阻比。但是前掠翼容易产生弯曲变形,在一定(临界)速度下,这种 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>家族兄分析的好!<BR>前掠翼很不成熟,中国历来有中庸之说,几套方案取中的可能很大。<BR>虽然我看见过几套模型,但是,哪一套也没有前掠翼型的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<H2>新浪的这篇文章写的不错,转一下</H2>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352508>前一段时间,空军副司令的一席话让国内外关心四代机的人们炸开了锅,有关四代机的标准及中国到底有没有能力一两年首飞争的面红耳刺,汉和防务评论的平可夫甚至要以关门走人来赌中国的四代机不可能这么快,好象是话说过了头,中国军方人员这回又声称"四代机"是指J10改良型,并且声称俄罗斯也把苏-35称作"四代机"。一时间更让人云里雾里。<BR>按理说,四代机也就是要达到所谓的4S标准,说白了就是美国佬的F-22。俄美称呼不同,西方称作四代机、俄罗斯称作五代机,这一点只是称呼不同,性质和标准上并没有太多的变化,任何事物对比都必须有一个相同的平台,如同运动员跑步的起点必须都在一条线上原理一样,否则不具备可比性,又比如制空型与对地攻击型战机相比就没有什么意义。如果中国的四代机只能跟台风那些飞机相提并论的话,我相信不仅是何为荣,连我也不相信,估计大家没有几个会相信的。既然是四代机,当然得具备四代机的能力,但是具体每个国情,四代机的部分差异还是有的。平可夫称不存在"中国特色的四代机",本人不敢苟同。中国的四代机,当然有中国的特色,得从以下几点说明。 <BR>一、隐身性(RCS) <BR>这是必须具备的,否则四代机连提别提, 标准的俄式五代机、美式四代机指必须使用低可探测性复合材料达到30%以上,RCS不能超过0.001平方米,却不能生搬硬套。F-22的隐身主要靠外形及隐身涂料,它采用双垂尾双发单座布局。垂尾向外倾斜27度,恰好处于一般隐身设计的边缘。其两侧进气口装在翼前缘延伸面(边条翼)下方,与喷嘴一样,都作了抑制红外辐射的隐身性设计,主翼和水平安定面采用相同的后掠角和后缘前掠角,都是小展弦比的梯形平面形,且机翼上涂有吸收雷达波的特殊材料。在平面内为带高位梯形机翼的带尾翼的综合气动力系统,包括彼此隔开很宽和带方向舵并朝外倾斜的垂直尾翼,并且水平安定面直接靠近机翼布置。按照技术标准(小反射外形、用吸收无线电波的材料、用无线电电子对抗器材和小辐射的机载无线电电子设备装备战斗机,其设计最小有交错射面为0.005-0.01平方米左右。在机体上广泛使用含热塑(12%)和热作用(10%)的聚合复合材料(KM)。在批生产的飞机上使用复合材料(KM)的比例(按重量)将达35%。两侧翼下菱形截面发动机进气道为不可调节的进气道,为敷设发动机压气机冷壁进气道呈S形通道。发动机二维喷管,有固定的侧壁和调节喷管横截面积及按俯仰±20°角偏转推力向量而设计的可动上调节板和下调节板。水泡型座舱盖凸出于前机身上部,尤其值得说明的是其座舱盖采用了特殊性材料,在保证透光的同时还较好的照顾了隐身。当然,外挂 导弹对隐身效果影响很大,所以其全部武器都隐蔽地挂在4个内部弹舱之中。  <BR>歼10战斗机是采用大三角翼加近耦合鸭式前翼气动布局的气动布局,虽然主翼与机身中部结合处采用翼身融合设计,但是整体上离翼身融合还差得远。由于不象F-22那样采用了V字型双垂尾,在尾喷管前端机腹下又加装了两片外斜腹鳍,才能配合垂直尾翼保持飞机大迎角飞行时的稳定性。四片减速板中两片位于机身上部主翼后方,其余两片仅位于机尾下部腹鳍之间。歼-10战斗机采用腹式进气,下部的大大的进气道加上上部的机头,使歼10这样不改变外形的情况下实现机身通体的翼身融合技术是很难的。因为翼身融合技术使机翼与机身一体化,从而使两者在概念化上模糊。只有采用了翼身融合技术才能在外形上具备隐形的优势,因为翼身融合技术可以使机翼根部(贴近机身)受载荷应力明显减小(力矩关系可知),从而使较轻的智能型复合材料得到更好的利用,同时也消除了机身的多处棱角。一般来说,机身上棱角太多,高速飞行时产生的絮流就越强,飞行阻力就越大。歼10B又有所改观,它的下巴安装的"超音速进气道扩压器"(DSI)[或无附面层隔道超音速进气道(DSI)]的进气口远比歼10A的小,这也使得歼10B比歼10A更有进步。在歼10A上,的传统距形-形状进气道需要一条大的可调进气斜板产生一个向后倾斜的激波帮助进气道压缩过程。斜板以锐角安装使吸入空气从纵向转向进气流。空气斜板包含许多移动部件,增加飞机的重量和雷达反射面。 而歼10B崭新设计的无斜板进气入口,被成都飞机公司首先测试在FC-1/JF-17战斗机的设计上,使用一个位于入口一体式凸起去代替可调斜板。这去除在入口上的所有的移动部件,减轻全重而且减少飞机的雷达反射面,隐身性能进一步提高。歼10B尽管做了这些外形改进,再加上涂上隐身涂料,但是如果说能达到四代机隐身效果了,你信吗?因此在本人看来,中国的四代机绝不是歼10B,并不是涂料的问题,平可夫认为中国的隐身涂料不可能过关只能说明他对中国军工的无知,以后关门也是活该。隐身涂料中国起步并不晚,成就并不差,做为中国四代机的条件之一,这是我最不担心的条件。我最担心的外形,涂料、雷达都能改进,唯有外形动手术最困难,也是重中之重。歼10的外形并不具备隐形条件,所以仅仅是歼10我相再怎么改也难达到要求,咱们不能看了鹰隼大队就真把它当回事了。我最害怕的是中国四代机还是象歼10、台风那样大哈蟆嘴,F-22才是我们模仿的对象。当然内置弹仓对中国来说并不是什么困难了,这里也没有讨论的必要。 <BR>至于苏-35,根本就不具备隐身能力,有些朋友们认为苏-35可能具备等离子隐身实在太过于荒谬,须知等离子发生器时需要为其提供强大的能量,虽然战机可能提供,但是这会严重影响其航程及配套设备局限性。正时由于苏-35不具备隐身性能,因此它不能算是真正的四代机,比中国的歼11B强不到哪去。 <BR>  <BR>二、相控阵雷达 <BR>这个条件要求不能降低,否则称谓四代机过于牵就,中国的空警2000上已经有AESA雷达了,但是它体积和重量都决定不可能装在战斗机上,关键的是集成T/R转换器技术上要过关,以及先进的冷却工艺。F-22上面的AN/APG-77雷达有源相控阵系统十分先进。它通过集中式数据处理系统与其他传感器和航空电子设备一起工作的。由处理器控制天线发射和接收波束的图形,以及处理接收的雷达数据。 APG-77雷达的技术基础是超可靠雷达(URR)计划和空军的有源相位阵列雷达试验。超可靠雷达的独特的特点是得克萨斯仪表公司的固态相控阵(SSPA)天线。每个辐射元件的独立发射和接收是这种系统设计中的创新之处,并确保提高了灵活性、小的雷达反射截面积和宽的频带。最大特点是合成了捷变光束控制,它允许一部雷达同时履行搜索、跟踪和目标瞄准任务。捷变光束控制同样使雷达搜索其它空域,而同进可能继续跟踪优先打击的目标。另外,雷达的低截获率能力使F/A-22在瞄准装备有雷达警报接收机和电子干扰设备的敌机时,使敌机还不知道就已被瞄准。APG-77雷达的主要特性:工作频率:8至12GHz;扫描范围:电子扫描,±方位90°;真实波束地形测绘:148公里;多普勒波束锐化:18.5公里、37公里或74公里;活动目标指示:74公里;边测距边搜索:296公里(迎头);边速度搜索边测距 296公里(迎头)。平均故障间隔时间450小时(预测值)。  <BR>而苏-35战斗机之所以牛B的最大原因是就是其装备了先进的 "雪豹"E相控阵雷达,也是被评为4++(实际上是3++)原因。该雷达最让俄罗斯人引以为豪就是其无可比拟的远距离探测能力。同现役的多种雷达相比,该雷达发现、跟踪和摧毁空中目标的距离最远可以达到400千米。在空战中的边扫描边跟踪模式下,"雪豹"E雷达能够同时探测和跟踪30个空中目标,并能够同时引导2枚半主动雷达制导空对空导弹进行攻击,或者同时引导8枚主动雷达制导空对空导弹进行攻击,攻击过程中允许其中4个目标的距离超过300千米。"雪豹"E相控阵雷达是由基霍米洛夫仪表制造科学研究所研制生产的,是在现役苏-30MKI、苏-30MKM、苏-30MKA等战斗机装备的无源相控阵雷达基础上改进来的。该雷达是一部工作在X波段的无源相控阵雷达,配备一部直径900毫米的大型雷达天线,整个雷达同Solo-35型机载中央电脑相连,由后者负责雷达资料的处理。该雷达在工作时,其雷达天线可以扫描机身前方60度的区域(水准方向和垂直方向),但是由于该雷达天线由液压系统驱动,其水准方向和垂直方向作动范围均为60度,所以雷达天线的实际扫描区域只可以达到120度,这个缺陷相信中国能够有效的克服掉。因为中国在固态相控阵方面已有经验,空警-2000就是证明。 <BR>优异的性能使得"雪豹"E相控阵雷达在探测反射面积达到3米2的空中目标时,距离可以达到为350~400千米,另外该雷达系统还能够发现和捕捉到以5500千米/时或更高速度飞行的空中目标。该雷达突出的"超隐身目标"探测能力,使其可以在90千米的距离上发现雷达反射面积只有0.01米的空中目标,比如隐身飞机、巡航导弹等。除了上述种种先进性能之外,"雪豹'E雷达还将具备电子战功能,这也是俄罗斯国内其他雷达所不具备的。从这方面说,该雷达的综合性能即使同欧洲和美国的最新型有源/无源相控阵雷达相比也不落后,与美国F-22战斗机装备的AN/APG-79几乎处于同一水准。 而对地攻击上则又比F-22的AN/APG-77胜出一筹,在执行对面攻击任务时,该雷达可以根据任务需要,绘制出低、中、高各种解析度的完整地面和水面图像,并能够排除水面上的杂波干扰,探测和跟踪水面上的各种目标。在执行对面攻击任务时,"雪豹"E雷达在跟踪地面和水面目标的同时,还能够随时应对来自空中的威胁,并能够引导主动雷达制导空对空导弹完成精确攻击。 <BR>另外,还有一点必须要提的是,作为整机火控系统的重要组成部分,苏-35战斗机上装备的OLS-35型光电探测元件也是该机的一个亮点。OLS-35光电元件由红外感测器、镭射测距仪/目标跟踪仪以及一个电视摄像机三部分共同组成,通过采用新的硬体和新的软体以及资料处理系统,该光电元件无论是探测距离、探测精度还是可靠性方面,都已经完全超过了"侧卫"家族其他机型上装备的OLS-27、OLS-30等同类光电组件,与歼10B的光电探测元件相当。 歼10B光电探测元件与苏-35相比基本持平,但是雷达是否是AESA雷达现在争议很大,众说纷纭。毕竟不象 歼10A,大家都知道脉冲多普勒雷达,但是在相控阵雷达上,我相信不是什么大问题,或许比AN/APG-77和"雪豹"E相控阵雷达差一点,但这丝毫不会影响将来升级后能力的。何况现在空战又不是单枪匹马的对抗,随着预警机及地面反隐形无源雷达的配合,美国佬讨不到什么便宜。中国的相控阵,必须有中国的特色,具体情况让我们拭目以待,中国在雷达方面并不落后,何为荣能说出来,估计离真正出来也不会远了。 <BR>三、超音速巡航 <BR>本人倒觉得这个条件倒并不是硬性的,因为发动机现在更新很快,现在达不到,将来是有可能的,中国在发动机上不具备优势,很难想象WS10A刚刚定型量产又会在这么短的时间内又上一个大台阶。WS10A的13200公斤加力推力虽然达不到使四代机超音速巡航的条件,但是实际上超音速巡航在实战中并不是特别重要,而且对作战并不能象隐身、相控阵雷达那样起决定性的作用。中国完全可以利用苏-35的117S发动机也作为临时应付,苏-35也能超音速巡航,主要还是有了117S的结果,另外苏-35取消减速板也是原因之一,中国歼11B没有取消一直让我不解,须知歼11B由于采用了大量的复合材料,以及内部设备减重,比苏-27SK要轻多了,降落时也容易多了,气动控制面调整一下,减速板完全可以省了。其实大家都也知道,早先的歼10计划就是用WS10太行发动机的,但是由于WS10的难产,才被迫采用AL31-FN的,如果歼10一定要等WS10的话,现在根本不可能象今天这样批量装备空军,说不定才刚刚试飞呢。而现在又重新换回WS10太行发动机既没有降低歼10性能,相反还使其性能得到一定提升,既然中国的三代机(这里指歼10)都有这样的一个先例了,那么我们有什么理由不相信四代机也采取这种方式呢?而且117S发动机还采用全向向量喷口,并且发动机的最大推力可以达到14500千克力,同现役的AL-31FN(最大推力12000千克力)相比,发动机推力增加了16%。更重要的是同现役的AL-31F系列发动机相比,117S发动机的服役寿命从1500小时提高到了4000小时,而大修间隔也从500小时增加到了1000小时,大大降低了后勤保障压力,又怎么能让中国不心动?而F-22用 的是普惠(Pratt &amp; Whitney)公司 F119-PW-100 涡轮扇发动机,每具最大后燃出力 35,000 磅(155.7 kN),也就是最大推力15.5千克力。将来中国四代机的发动机最大推力也要在这个数左右,不过短时间内我没有底气说能出来的话。 <BR>  <BR>四、超机动 <BR>这个本人相信决无任何问题,从目前各种资料看来,四代机仍然会采用歼10那样耦合鸭式前翼气动布局的气动布局,前翼使得歼10飞得稳又灵活,因此在近空格斗中占据相当的优势。必须指明的是,歼10的机动性相当强,甚至说其拥有四代机条件之一的超机动性也不为过。从某种方面来说,机动性对于中国四代机标准来说,可能比美国佬的标准还要高一些。 <BR>至于其它的火控及导弹系统、短距离起降虽然也重要,但不属于4S标准之内,不在本次讨论范畴,这里也不必多说,相信在与四代机配套上并不是大的障碍。由上面我们不难总结,张召忠说一两年内首飞并不意外,与其在那没头没脑的猜,不如静下心来,坐观四代机的闪亮登场吧。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352542>15公里的射程?这个还不足以对双三构成威胁啊?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=4269" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>刀口</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>航母战斗群</I> 于 2009-11-29 10:35 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352542&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9711924620886108 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>15公里的射程?这个还不足以对双三构成威胁啊? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>美帝并不知道15公里是有效射程,它也不敢冒险当回实验品。<BR>激光的光柱是无限延长的,相对无限距离,美帝看见这束擎天之柱的灿烂光芒会怎么想呢?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352747>杀手锏啊!科幻真的是人类发展的一大助力呀!<BR><BR>请教刀大,我们是不是可以跨越以导弹为载体的导弹防御系统的阶段了?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>perry家族</I> 于 2009-11-28 11:37 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352185&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.0641621535674487 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>前掠翼相比于传统后掠翼飞机具有结构、机动、以及可控度上几方面的优势,如低速性能好,可用升力大,机翼的气动效率高,更高的缠斗操控能力和更高的升阻比。但是前掠翼容易产生弯曲变形,在一定(临界)速度下,这种 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><FONT size=4>热烈欢迎家族大大</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352803>发表于 2009-11-29 01:54 PM</EM> |&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-29 10:54 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352574&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5402779406934899 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>美帝并不知道15公里是有效射程,它也不敢冒险当回实验品。<BR>激光的光柱是无限延长的,相对无限距离,美帝看见这束擎天之柱的灿烂光芒会怎么想呢? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>高能激光使用的大气窗口不在可见光范围内.所以如果真有这种东西照射,美帝飞行员光靠眼睛是看不见的.<BR><BR>个人倾向于认为地基激光在整个80年代也不太会对大气层内飞行器的安全构成实质性的影响.低空环境下的自适应光学补偿是在80年后期才逐渐完善的理论,特别是在强湍流环境中,需要在共轭导星引导下进行高速自适应调控才能补偿光束扩散.而80年代的计算机技术是达不到这种要求的.所以苏联使用单激光导星的地基激光器,虽然输出功率达到了兆瓦级.仍然不足以对卫星产生硬杀伤效果.如果换成是大气层内的目标,聚焦瞄准则更加困难<BR><BR>美国人一直到苏联解体前才在工程上比较好地解决这个问题.现今公开的低空打靶实验资料分布在92-96年间.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352891>发表于 2009-11-29 03:39 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>锐持</I> 于 2009-11-29 01:54 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352803&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.07938856354941426 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR><BR>高能激光使用的大气窗口不在可见光范围内.所以如果真有这种东西照射,美帝飞行员光靠眼睛是看不见的.<BR><BR>个人倾向于认为地基激光在整个80年代也不太会对大气层内飞行器的安全构成实质性的影响.低空环境下的自适 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>80年代自然不行,我说的是90年代,老弟注意看帖。另外我说的有效距离是15公里,至于美国是不是因为中国有激光武器就不再使用SR71入侵我国不得而知。但是,近几年美国一直诬陷我国使用激光对它的卫星进行软杀伤却是屡有报道。激光武器在我国存在是事实,先前的我是见过的,毁伤的靶标我也见过。试验的时间与你说的美国试验的时间基本差不多,这个我多次说过了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>老枪火</I> 于 2009-11-29 02:53 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352851&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8595302405056227 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>这个就是双发大十么? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>要是双发大十,我看也可以接受说它已经符合四代的要求。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352982>发表于 2009-11-29 05:03 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1352982>太赤裸裸了,不是一般的忽悠,今天防务新观察,老张说了,美国搞四代机用了20年,我们才开始搞,哪有吹吹就能出来的 <BR>对比其前段时间的发言,汗,不知道上面是什么意思,但是下面这些专家、忽悠可真是难做啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1352985>发表于 2009-11-29 05:06 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-29 03:39 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352891&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.11774198402713121 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>80年代自然不行,我说的是90年代,老弟注意看帖。另外我说的有效距离是15公里,至于美国是不是因为中国有激光武器就不再使用SR71入侵我国不得而知。但是,近几年美国一直诬陷我国使用激光对它的卫星进行软杀伤却是 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>后面那几句话很耳熟,{:soso_e112:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1353056>发表于 2009-11-29 05:55 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>Lren</I> 于 2009-11-29 09:32 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352445&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9128941390415002 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>“高度3万3,速度3千3”<BR>-----------------------------<BR>双三只有黑鸟和米格25及31,还没听说在中国掉下来过。。。<BR><BR>无人机,那就更扯了。。。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>掉下来的是黑鸟的前身</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1353172>发表于 2009-11-29 07:41 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1353213>发表于 2009-11-29 08:12 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-29 07:41 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1353172&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7457402918476339 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>以何副司令讲话为准 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>本菜觉得是要以何副司令的话为准<BR>本菜觉得置疑何副司令的人是不应该的<BR>明明有个权威表了态还不信<BR>为什么不信呢?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1353220>今天张实在是太能忽悠了,竟然说,弹道导弹的载弹量只有巡航导弹的十分之一,只能在航母上打个孔</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1353242>难为老张了,又说我们没搞弹道导弹打HM,又说没搞四带机. 也是,周边都紧张了,要搞军备竞赛了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>正一品上</I> 于 2009-11-29 08:17 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1353220&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.05729667428898222 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>今天张实在是太能忽悠了,竟然说,弹道导弹的载弹量只有巡航导弹的十分之一,只能在航母上打个孔 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>老张今天太有喜感了,吼吼。顺便把搞打航母的皮球踢给了毛子。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>xifeng</I> 于 2009-11-29 08:34 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1353244&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9542764824086816 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>老张今天太有喜感了,吼吼。顺便把搞打航母的皮球踢给了毛子。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>是哦,要酶鬼及世界上的蓝眼睛去关注岩石去...我们的21没威胁..霍霍.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>xiangfei0630</I> 于 2009-11-29 12:04 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352221&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5936222974761023 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>金雕出来这么多年也没有成军,经济实力是一方面性能也一定有问题,要不毛子怎么样也要做点来撑撑场面 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>去苏霍伊哀悼您的技术验证机吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1353490>向老大们学习{:soso_e112:}&nbsp;{:soso_e112:} {:soso_e112:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-29 10:20 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352519&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.4148202312874806 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>这是其中一套,这套是15年前的。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>大角度离轴发射!!!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1353539>发表于 2009-11-29 11:15 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1353539>前面有说BKC高兴的,我看高兴才怪,现在BKC已经分析到中国的基础工业了,这基础工业要分析需要多大的统计量?中国上的项目多如牛毛怎么分析,分析的越细说明他们心里越是没底。BKC的满腹狐疑和诅咒谩骂更说明副司令一席话戳到了他们的痛处。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1353630>高推的核心机我是见过的,也摸过,还想抱一下被一个眼神制止了。<BR>高推是国家重点专项,一直在研,可以说自八十年代就开始的这个项目,是多学科多单位共同发展的一个大项目,目的就是为了四代重歼击机。其他项目还有中推。所谓WS10是大推,现在已经装机试用,其实就是小批量生产,完全成熟需要在使用中解决。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>正义自有力量</I> 于 2009-11-30 07:51 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1353759&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7842477471645934 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>看了昨天的 防务新观察没有.&nbsp;&nbsp;老张还在极力强调<BR>四代就是J10改,&nbsp;&nbsp;有点意思 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>老张越是这样,越觉得是此地无银三百两,哈哈。<BR><BR>越来越觉得老张可爱了,果真是老顽童。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=49435" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>xiaoyu</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1353886>发表于 2009-11-30 10:08 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1353886>740楼刀口说:<BR>“激光武器是杀手锏,<BR>有战略威慑作用,<BR>是制止敌人扩大战争的手段,<BR>是严重削弱敌人优势转化力量对比的利器。”<BR>。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。<BR>“核武器是杀手锏,<BR>有战略威慑作用,<BR>是制止敌人扩大战争的手段,<BR>是严重削弱敌人优势转化力量对比的利器。”</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1353889>发表于 2009-11-30 10:09 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1353889>以前一直认为:<BR>激光是战术<BR>核是战略<BR>???</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1353902>发表于 2009-11-30 10:21 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1353902>高推的核心机我是见过的,也摸过,还想抱一下被一个眼神制止了。<BR><BR> ,是火辣辣的眼神,还是直勾勾的眼神?哀怨的?嫉妒的?娇嗔的?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1353929>发表于 2009-11-30 10:36 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-30 12:08 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1353630&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.4732095436306473 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>高推的核心机我是见过的,也摸过,还想抱一下被一个眼神制止了。<BR>高推是国家重点专项,一直在研,可以说自八十年代就开始的这个项目,是多学科多单位共同发展的一个大项目,目的就是为了四代重歼击机。其他项目还有 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>刀大是定办的?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=36938" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>爱人在北回归线</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1353939>发表于 2009-11-30 10:42 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-30 12:08 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1353630&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6531594638160314 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>高推的核心机我是见过的,也摸过,还想抱一下被一个眼神制止了。<BR>高推是国家重点专项,一直在研,可以说自八十年代就开始的这个项目,是多学科多单位共同发展的一个大项目,目的就是为了四代重歼击机。其他项目还有 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>呵呵,刀口兄强悍啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354041>发表于 2009-11-30 12:00 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-29 11:15 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1353539&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3761140569767389 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>前面有说BKC高兴的,我看高兴才怪,现在BKC已经分析到中国的基础工业了,这基础工业要分析需要多大的统计量?中国上的项目多如牛毛怎么分析,分析的越细说明他们心里越是没底。BKC的满腹狐疑和诅咒谩骂更说明副司令一 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>刀大,BKC是什么意思啊?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354096>发表于 2009-11-30 12:42 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354096>简单说:就是思想红色(HKC),或者思想白色(BKC)。<BR>说的通俗一点,就是对国家政府军队比较有信心的(HKC),和对国家政府军队信心不足甚至唱衰的(BKC)。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=91613" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>剑胆文心6</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354107>发表于 2009-11-30 12:51 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354107>嗯,BKC和HKC总而言之就是二元划分法,也很符合咱们中华文明里传统的太极阴阳论。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=84273" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>大象无形</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354148>发表于 2009-11-30 01:08 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-11-30 12:42 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1354096&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.36608040138237213 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>简单说:就是思想红色(HKC),或者思想白色(BKC)。<BR>说的通俗一点,就是对国家政府军队比较有信心的(HKC),和对国家政府军队信心不足甚至唱衰的(BKC)。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>刀口兄,给解释一下中国卫星躲避空间碎片和双星互换的背景和意义,网上的解释都很业余,谢谢。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354171>中国四代机研发消息冲击日本普通民众(附最新评论)(转载) <BR><BR><BR>作者:1地上鞋两双1 提交日期:2009-11-13 4:09:00 访问:175 回复:0&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR>中国四代机研发消息冲击日本普通民众(附最新评论)<BR>    中国空军副司令关于中国四代机的研发和装备时间的消息,迅速在日本各大网站新闻媒体传播。在日本民众产生了一定的影响。我们来看看这个新闻在日本留言板的评论。(以上评论均选自日本yahoo网站)<BR>  1:留言被支持最多的一条就是:日本也应该独自开发四代机。<BR>  2:日本也应该全力去自主开发,但是对现在亲华的民 主 党来说只是个梦罢了。<BR>  3:日本也应该开发高端飞机,然后去卖。<BR>  4:对待这样的国家,是否还应该继续ODA援助啊?<BR>  5:努力加强军事能力的中国和对中国实施友爱政策的鸠山政府,就和柔顺的兔子指望狼那样,太不像话了。<BR>  6:不应该在向中国进行援助了,难道到时候鸠山政府准备要从中国那里买飞机吗?<BR>  7:从中国阅兵式,解说的军事专家分析来看,中国有了惊人的进步,这可是真正的威胁啊。<BR>  8:日本也应该开始自主研发,但是脑袋迟钝的人太多,本来开发这样的技术,对民用技术能起到很多很好的作用,但是现在却没有这么做。本来日本有这样的技术能力,但是美国害怕日本的三菱公司,中岛飞机等先进技术,不让日本生产飞机。如果发生战争就是那些笨蛋的责任,本来日本的宇宙开发技术能得到更大的提高,可惜机会被一点点的丧失掉。<BR>  9:日本应该制造更好的飞机,加强各种临机应变的空军军事能力,美国现在收缩的局面,日本的核开发也更为重要。对待这样的问题 希望大家都进行思考。<BR>  10:怎么看都不像和平目的,但是中国总是说是为了和平。<BR>  11:看外形怎么看都象F22,日本必须尽早开放这样的高技术飞机装备起来。<BR>  12:形势不太好啊,真要是实现了,日本的冲绳就要危险了。<BR>  13:经常轻视中国,无理中国,还得意样样,结果被人家努力并追上的混蛋日本人。如果我们还不从这样的想法醒悟过来,这才是日本的真正危机。醒醒吧。掌握先进的技术,并要靠努力和勇于牺牲自我的精神才最重要,正视现实,用自己的脑袋和眼睛来看待问题吧。<BR>  14:说是8年到10年左右配备,那么到时候民主党还是执政的话,恐怕日本就被消灭了吧。<BR>  15:如果真是这样的话,那么美国还真不能从冲绳撤退了,<BR>  16;有个中国人那里留言,说“中国不会开始挑起战争,不用担心”。后面有人这么回复的:对待这样的担保没有意义的,中国有战争的意念,没有放弃战争的法律。更何况是1party专 政,民间也一直是对日本的战争论调不断。所以你说的这样毫无意义。<BR>  17:是不是日本的好多技术泄密到中国了,自从民主党执政开始,是不是好多军事技术都流入到中国了,<BR>  18:即使我们没有拥有核武器,但是我们的长距离火箭技术和各种很多的火箭 。导弹。如果万一出事,就向敌国发射吧。<BR>  19:有人说中国连汽车都不能制造的国家能制造出这么优秀的战斗机吗?没有道理。有人这么回答的,如果按你的想法,太平洋战争的时候,连冰箱都没能造出来的日本是不是连战斗机也造不出来吗? 不要忘了,中国是军 事 政权,是人民解放军才创造了现在的中国。如果把军事技术和民用技术相比来作为衡量那是绝对不对的。旧德国和日本不都是子在特殊军事政权下开发了各种先进武器。中国确实起步晚,各种技术还很多不足。但是从现在的经济发展来看,中国发生各种巨变的可能性都存在的。<BR>  没有太必要感觉到威胁,日本没有配备,但是中国确正在开发的这样事实还是需要有冷静接受的必要。<BR>  20:等中国第四代机开发完了,也许美国都已经装备第5代或第六代机了吧。<BR>   后面还有很多讨论,但都差不多。基本上几个要点:<BR>  1:对中国开发的第四代飞机,确实比较震惊并出乎意料,怀疑,疑惑各种想法都有,但基本都感觉到有一定的威胁。<BR>   2:加强日本的自己高性能飞机的开发成了日本人的的主要想法,对美国的态度表示一定的怀疑。既埋怨美国太限制日本的军事开发,又期待美国对日本的技术和各方面充分的保护。<BR>  3:日本针对这个军事问题上,对鸠山政府过于亲华态度,提出东亚共同体一厢情愿的方针表示怀疑。<BR>   4:日本有较强的危机感。<BR>   5:基本没有出现谩骂阴损的留言。更多就是期待自己国家要努力。要是韩国论坛,估计骂中国的就多了。<BR>  从以上评论基本可以看出,中国军事的逐步增加,将会深刻影响周边国家的政治军事部署。中国无论在怎么提和平崛起,估计也没有人相信。我们还是以不变应万变,踏踏实实的发展自己的国家政治军事水平,这个才是真正的王道,这个也才是中国真正和平的基础。 <BR>   ------- 转自新浪<BR>  <BR>  我觉得日本网民对于这个事情的评价都属于比较冷静客观的,相较之酸葡萄心理的韩国人真的要强上很多。如果是韩国的话估计一半不相信,一半说是偷取韩国技术。 另外我是真的觉得日本这几年相对真的很低调,低调的似乎让人家忘却了亚洲还有一个威胁的到TG的国家,不知道想法对否呵呵。 <BR>  另外空副司令提到的4代很快就能首飞的消息实在很振奋人心,但是TG不可小视周边的几个国家哦~我看没有一个是好捏的软柿子吧!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354212>发表于 2009-11-30 02:03 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354212>咱们是友邦,别老软柿子捏不捏的,哈哈哈哈</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=48964" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>油纸伞</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354260>发表于 2009-11-30 02:44 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354260>J-10改是“被四代”了的,这个毫无疑问。<BR>但现在官媒都在忙着给四代降温。<BR>想问刀大,会不会在出现四代比如2015年装备后,出于某种目的,官方还是暂时秘而不宣?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=72762" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>布衣青裳</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354272>发表于 2009-11-30 02:51 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<H2>咱中国已经有了雄厚的基础</H2>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354272>3代机服役是个标志,就是说你中国已经基本赶上主流的装备研制水平了,文革中丢下的课,就基本上可以讲补上来了。当然WS10A成熟度还差点,但是已经不是“有.没有”的事了,是“好.不好”。<BR>科学技术呢,发展到一定程度就不是你明不明白了,而是靠经济实力了,就是比“砸银子.耗时间.比范围”了!<BR>搞完3代后,4代机的所有技术,可以说咱们都已经涉及到了,都不是什么秘密了,也没什么不明白的地方了,剩下就是靠集中人力物力财力,去不断试验不断实践的过程了。<BR>比如隐身气动,还不是靠大量的电磁测试,大量的风洞吹风。发动机,就是靠大量的材料配比试验,大量的运行试车..........你能够有经济条件也支撑的住大规模科研活动,大量的科学成果自然会不断的涌现出来。<BR>美国把4代机神秘化,那是对小国们来说的,对于中国这样的大国就是差“临门一脚”的事!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354352>发表于 2009-11-30 03:39 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354352>某领导曾经说过 中国不要哪个国家的技术,中国只需要金钱和时间。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=96538" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>四进五</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354412>上面低估了丝带的震撼力,现在拿J10出来减缓冲击波也是无奈和合理的,3代的技术为基础,升级到4代,这也不算瞎话。这招敲山震虎不但把凶猛的禽兽们镇住了,波及得猴子**子们坐立不安鸡飞狗跳的,那是要安抚一下的,不然虽不至于阻碍咱进步,但JJWW太吵得慌。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>jeefzhao</I> 于 2009-11-30 03:39 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1354352&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5242040966262924 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>某领导曾经说过 中国不要哪个国家的技术,中国只需要金钱和时间。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>最新的是中国只需要时间了<BR>钱我们多的是</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354449>发表于 2009-11-30 04:30 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354449>F22在6到8年的时间内还是这个星球上最好的重型战斗机 这个大家应该没有什么异议。时间再长一点就难说了{:soso_e107:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354517>发表于 2009-11-30 05:09 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>2007jxsd</I> 于 2009-11-30 04:30 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1354449&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6432875541013938 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>F22在6到8年的时间内还是这个星球上最好的重型战斗机 这个大家应该没有什么异议。时间再长一点就难说了{:soso_e107:} </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>等咱们丝带出来,F22就不能独霸天下了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354622>发表于 2009-11-30 06:22 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>jeefzhao</I> 于 2009-11-30 03:39 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1354352&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5743751431887621 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>某领导曾经说过 中国不要哪个国家的技术,中国只需要金钱和时间。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>那的确,你发展到这个程度了,一般的技术给你,你还不乐意!你要的只可能是尖端的核心技术,这个人家打死不能给!<BR>所以咱只能“华山一条路”了,前面的回忆录指出,咱们在早期和老毛子米格等开展了一些探索性研制,也就到这个地步了。<BR>后面人家不可能给,咱们也不愿意了,除非和3哥一样“扔银子的干活”!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354630>发表于 2009-11-30 06:31 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<H2>4代机必须满足“攻防一体”的要求!</H2>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354630>这个是60年大会上宣布的空军战略决定的。中型机满足不了这个要求。传说中国的周边安全战略目标是离开国境线400公里的范围,海军呢,要向第2岛链看齐,这样粗略一估——战斗半径至少得1500公里左右,比F-22小不了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354633>发表于 2009-11-30 06:35 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354633>有人说的好,只要能满足要求,4代你叫歼-5改!咱都没意见。 <BR>咱不争这个........</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354745>发表于 2009-11-30 08:06 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>大象无形</I> 于 2009-11-30 01:08 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1354148&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.2994159306049928 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>刀口兄,给解释一下中国卫星躲避空间碎片和双星互换的背景和意义,网上的解释都很业余,谢谢。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>俺也是业余选手。<BR>首先体现了我们的测控技术是世界一流的,测控网布点众多,前一段中国和印度日本一起发射探月,中国是独立测控,印度和日本都利用了欧洲和美国的测控网。测控技术当然体现在弹道导弹上,不过,弹道导弹的控制要高几个量级,有句话说:航天技术好的未必弹道导弹就好,弹道导弹好的航天技术一定好,说的就是这个意思。<BR>再就是星载技术,卫星上带有燃料和小的火箭喷管,只需要一点点的喷射推力,卫星就会运动、翻转、转移轨道等,这个要拿捏的恰到好处,关键在方向和姿态的调整,太阳帆要始终能对准太阳,否则不多久就没有电了,就像美国自己打的那颗卫星,太阳帆调整的不好,上天不久就死掉了。另外要说的是,民用卫星的调整需要非常高的技术,但是比起军用寻的装置还是差的远,军用里面,并轨杀伤与迎头拦截又差得远。07年我们的反卫星是迎头拦截,难度极大。<BR>最后要说的是,本次互换是以新换旧,旧星的位置很好,已经超期三年服役,说不好那天坏了就会误事,所以请她挪个地方,把好位置让给新星,旧星退到相对差点的地方继续服务,属于退休返聘吧。<BR>大致是这个意思。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354787>发表于 2009-11-30 09:24 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354802>就是深空测--控,很火星的技术;<BR>老美这方面还是最牛掰滴。。。<BR><BR>玩过一次距地球1.5亿公里远的一次撞车,还全程监测、控制{:soso_e114:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1354874>发表于 2009-11-30 10:48 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1354874>上海的65米锅建成后,我国的测控距离可以达到火星,并且可以延伸到更远的木星、土星。<BR>在我国嫦娥二姐、三姐在月球实现软着陆以及月球车在月面巡视时,上海的65米锅会在秒级的时间尺度上快速测量它们的瞬时位置。<BR>土星和地球的距离大约为12.8亿公里。<BR>况且我们还有一些更大的在建 <BR>美国在硬件上优势会变得越来越小</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>freder</I> 于 2009-11-30 01:23 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1354171&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9853098174766588 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>中国四代机研发消息冲击日本普通民众(附最新评论)(转载) <BR><BR><BR>作者:1地上鞋两双1 提交日期:2009-11-13 4:09:00 访问:175 回复:0&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR>中国四代机研发消息冲击日本普通民众(附最新评论)<BR>    中国空 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>看了不少帖子,日本国债很快会超过年GDP的2倍。如果这样,日元随时可能垮台。<BR>而且日本经济已经停滞了将近20年,对人的精神和信心消磨的很厉害。<BR>加上人口负增长,现在年轻人“宅”的很多,不像其他几个国家那么趾高气扬也正常。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>龙剑</I> 于 2009-11-30 10:48 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1354874&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.06501854184768724 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>上海的65米锅建成后,我国的测控距离可以达到火星,并且可以延伸到更远的木星、土星。<BR>在我国嫦娥二姐、三姐在月球实现软着陆以及月球车在月面巡视时,上海的65米锅会在秒级的时间尺度上快速测量它们的瞬时位置。<BR>... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>深空探测是全体人类的希望,我们总有一天要走出地球。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>RedRock</I> 于 2009-11-30 09:24 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1354787&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.41054408488759575 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>如果CF重4,SF中4的话,双发大10干什么用呢,上舰吗? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>替补......对于不能控制在自己手上的东西来说,准备一个替补比较好----我这是在说CF</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<H2>美指责中国太阴险:歼14名为四代机实为五代机</H2>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1355690>据美国防务杂志透露:中国已经列装10架以上第四代战机,其大部分主要性能都达到美国五代战机的水平,某些功能已经和美国正在研制的六代机不相上下。这种战机被西方的情报资源称为歼-14,并配备形象图,图中这架飞机看起来像是一架完成的原型机,但它实际上是一个非常详细的全比例工程模型(原文如此,译者注)。可以设想这个模型在进行了内部部件安装和调试后,继续用于整机的演示。它真实的功能也许是帮助确定所需要的后勤保障(即使用不同的航电设备和机载系统的能力,诸如登机梯、空调装置和外部电源等地勤设施),以及研究发动机在拆卸和安装过程中的耗时和工序复杂程度。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;杂志称:中国快速发展的航空工业正在开发种技术非常先进的新战斗机,并声称其具有非常好的隐身特征。这一项目是中国朝着独立设计、开发和制造先进作战飞机(在技术层次上要与美国最新代战机研制不分上下)。虽然目前还没有歼-14的相关数据,但是可以大致推测出这种飞机的性能并设想一下它未来充当的角色。通过这些照片可以猜测出中国武装力量作战需求的优先级别和中国国防工业的战斗机设计方法,并最终清楚地知道中国在哪些技术领域还存在不足。此外,也可以看出在诸如发动机、航电系统和可能的计算机辅助电传飞行控制系统等领域中国和俄罗斯进行的良好合作。<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 自中国空军首次将歼10战机亮相,着实兴起了一股世界波。美国国防智库国际战略评估中心作出了权威评估,歼-10战斗机是属于现代化的"三代半"战斗机,所携带霹雳-12空空导弹,比俄罗斯的R-77空空导弹以及美国的AIM-120空空导弹性能都要高。并被认为,是对于攻击美国的"宙斯盾"驱逐舰和空中预警机最有效的打击;歼-10具有很强的超视距空战、近距格斗和攻击能力,其作战性能已得到了数据上的肯定在美国F-16之上,也就是说歼-10是针对F - 16量身而制的。<BR><BR><BR>那么面对美国最新一代的战机F-22和F-35,中国自然会全力以赴的。所谓世界战机的划分四代、五代,说白了只是在其性能上规划,随着航空技术的快速发展,适应于各个不同时代的战机也就被规划为一二三代。而面对新时期的空战要求,被称为第四代的战机其特点和技术要求必然会发展到新的层次。<BR><BR><BR>随着20世纪90年代微芯片和半导体技术的迅猛发展,航电和其他飞行电子系统进行了多项改进,并采用了有限的隐身构型。典型机型有美国的F/A- 18E/F"超级大黄蜂"。它是F/A-18的升级型,虽然基本气动特性保持不变,但前者采用了大量先进的航电系统技术,包括玻璃座舱、固态有源相控阵 (AESA)雷达,另外还使用了新发动机,飞机结构由复合材料制造而降低了重量,飞机外形做了少许修改以使其雷达特征最小。其它可以归入四战机的还有欧洲四个国家联合研制的"台风",瑞典的JAS-39,俄罗斯的米格-35、苏-30/-33/-34/-35/-37,美国的F-15E和F - 16。而第五代战斗机是目前发展的最先进的一代战斗机,飞机采用内置武器的隐身设计,同时还带有能降低飞行员工作载荷、提高其状态感知的综合航电系统。第五代战斗机的特点有超声速巡航、低可探测性、使用维护简便等。目前第五代战斗机只有美国的F-22、F-35,而俄罗斯的S-37"金雕" 战机(苏 47)在研制规格时被定为第五代战斗机,但不可能达到F-22的水准,能不能达到飞行性能较为保守的F-35的水准,要考虑很多因素。由于美国在总体上的优势,俄罗斯"第五代战斗机"很可能只会在部分性能指标上能够与美国新一代战斗机抗衡。<BR><BR><BR>按美国智囊库兰德公司最近提交的《中国空军作战实力研究分析报告》分析,目前已服役的J-10战机,实验证明是一款很具现代的新型战机, F16系列战斗机在他面前似乎已占不了优势。不过要真正对抗F22现阶段还有一定难度。虽然中国从来没有对于研制第五代战斗机进行大肆宣扬,但这不能说明中国就没有在研制。事实证明,中国的新一代战机研制已初具规模。中国按照自己的飞机划代顺序,把第五代战斗机划入了第四代战斗机着实很阴险,当然,在关于继续研制第四代战斗机(按照公认的飞机划代顺序)的大量消息中,出现关于歼-14设计方案的报道,也造成了一定的混乱。实际上,中国的第四代战斗机目标就是世界公认的第五代甚至第六代。中国研制者在自己研制的战斗机的某些作战性能方面,所要达到指标也许是前所未有,就如中国的航天事业一样,成功就必须名列世界前茅。<BR>-------------------------------------------------------<BR>现在改口,不光自己人不信,md更不信了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1355695>发表于 2009-12-1 01:59 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1355695>我们本来也没有指望老美去相信我们的“解释”。<BR><BR>口风一放就可以了。其他的不用去管。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>shiyidao050</I> 于 2009-11-30 10:21 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1353902&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3403975726225652 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>高推的核心机我是见过的,也摸过,还想抱一下被一个眼神制止了。<BR><BR> ,是火辣辣的眼神,还是直勾勾的眼神?哀怨的?嫉妒的?娇嗔的? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR>秋天的菠菜?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1355757>高推的核心机我是见过的,也摸过,还想抱一下被一个眼神制止了。<BR><BR>这个眼神很及时很果断!看了,摸了,再让抱,下一步该亲亲这么可爱的宝贝疙瘩了{:soso_e112:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>龙剑</I> 于 2009-11-30 10:48 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1354874&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>上海的65米锅建成后,我国的测控距离可以达到火星,并且可以延伸到更远的木星、土星。<BR>在我国嫦娥二姐、三姐在月球实现软着陆以及月球车在月面巡视时,上海的65米锅会在秒级的时间尺度上快速测量它们的瞬时位置。<BR>... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>这个消息雷!<BR>呵呵<BR>特大利好消息啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>perry家族</I> 于 2009-11-28 11:37 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1352185&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>前掠翼相比于传统后掠翼飞机具有结构、机动、以及可控度上几方面的优势,如低速性能好,可用升力大,机翼的气动效率高,更高的缠斗操控能力和更高的升阻比。但是前掠翼容易产生弯曲变形,在一定(临界)速度下,这种 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>实在佩服家族的学识和胆魄!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1355841>顶龙剑兄<BR>但我认为狡猾而邪恶的共军其实真正的目的还是针对称霸地球玩“星球大战”的{:soso_e111:} <BR>深深空还是忽悠老美去玩噱头吧。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1355928>鬼子的“心神”<BR><BR> 1.jpg <BR> 2.jpg <BR><IMG alt="" src="http://warchina.com/upload/2008_10/081020173688055.jpg"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1355931>飞机再多。没了巢。都是等死。当然。估计那就都撕破脸了。战争的艺术哦。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1355936>忠言老大十分“粪土”这个心神。。。。<BR>我信!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>Lren</I> 于 2009-12-1 04:47 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1355936&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8978606292650164 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>忠言老大十分“粪土”这个心神。。。。<BR>我信! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>鬼子的心神机头造型很让人诟病,据闻是“负升力”是向下的,据说气动性极其不合理。其次鬼子没有吹这个的风洞或者说没有合适的风洞,吹风是美国人给吹的。电磁测试时法国人帮着做的,其他么。。。。鬼子的研究队伍还是没有多少底子。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356242>gui zi mei you wan zheng de gong ye ti xi.<BR>ju ti shuo shi guo fang ke ji gong ye ti xi.<BR><BR>wo men xu yao zuo de jiu shi zai zheng zhi shang ," pei he " MD ya zhi xiao gui zi.<BR><BR>mei you fa yan quan de guo jia , wo men bu yao pa, dan shi yao zai zhan shu shang zhong shi ta men</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>斯图卡</I> 于 2009-12-1 08:13 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1356242&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.06802113361032719 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>gui zi mei you wan zheng de gong ye ti xi.<BR>ju ti shuo shi guo fang ke ji gong ye ti xi.<BR><BR>wo men xu yao zuo de jiu shi zai zheng zhi shang ," pei he " MD ya zhi xiao gui zi.<BR><BR>mei you fa yan quan d ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>楼上的你玩行为艺术?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>斯图卡</I> 于 2009-12-1 08:13 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1356242&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.4883893824940379 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>gui zi mei you wan zheng de gong ye ti xi.<BR>ju ti shuo shi guo fang ke ji gong ye ti xi.<BR><BR>wo men xu yao zuo de jiu shi zai zheng zhi shang ," pei he " MD ya zhi xiao gui zi.<BR><BR>mei you fa yan quan d ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>友情翻译:<BR>鬼子没有完整的工业体系,<BR>具体说是国防科技工业体系。<BR>我们需要做的就是在政治上,“配合”MD压制小鬼子,<BR>没有发言权的国家,我们不要怕,但是要在战术上重视它们。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356302>发表于 2009-12-1 08:39 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356302>关于四代机,关键是:<BR>你想做成什么?<BR>你能做成什么?<BR>想做成什么?首先是必须能够在当代防空条件下实现“突防”,不是在越南的防空条件下突防,而是在美国和鬼子的防空条件下突防,否则你把它做出来干什么呢?有什么用呢?又怎么能被称为四代呢?有人说3.8代相当不错了,近似四代。那就错了,老师给学生判分,你说59分是及格,家长和老师抽你一大嘴巴!<BR>及格这条线必然是量化考核的,而不是虚化。不及格就是不及格,没有商量。<BR>四代的及格线,主要是隐身,不隐身,把飞机做成大过载的导弹,能拉出35个G的机动,那还不是四代。隐身是四代的标志,谁都知道魔术是骗人的,你让人看出你在作假,那就妄谈你是魔术师!<BR>另外,中国的四代是要在敌人面前变魔术的,你只能在自己家里变在自己家里隐身,走不出去,哪有什么用?所以,中国的四代一定是大航程的,要能在鬼子、棒子、猴子面前变魔术。走不远窝里横那是没有用的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356355>发表于 2009-12-1 09:09 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356355>看了鬼子的 心神,机内空间也太小了吧。<BR>我看内置油箱都不会多大,要搞内置弹仓就别想了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356388>发表于 2009-12-1 09:36 PM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356390>鬼子的心神怎么看象碳化硅的还是铝合金氧化了的 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356451>发表于 2009-12-1 10:14 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356451>心神&nbsp; &nbsp;我看 鬼子是心神不定<BR><BR>心里没底,心虚的表现</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356495>从现在看,鬼子要走大海军路线了。<BR>而且也越来越重视舰载机同其特困舰队的配合协作。<BR><BR>丝带是什么样大家应该心里有数,不必太过较真。<BR>比起丝带,大家更应该给予我们海军更多的关心和支持,压力重重啊。<BR><BR>不好意思,刚才输入法一直出不来……拼音流……<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 斯图卡 于 2009-12-1 10:37 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356507>发表于 2009-12-1 10:42 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>斯图卡</I> 于 2009-12-1 22:36 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1356495&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.09351311880946728 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>从现在看,鬼子要走大海军路线了。<BR>而且也越来越重视舰载机同其特困舰队的配合协作。<BR><BR>丝带是什么样大家应该心里有数,不必太过较真。<BR>比起丝带,大家更应该给予我们海军更多的关心和支持,压力重重啊。<BR><BR>不好 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>毕竟是岛国,不争海权,传统空间就没多大玩头了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356523>发表于 2009-12-1 10:57 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>电死个人</I> 于 2009-12-1 04:43 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1355928&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.056603805392682116 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>鬼子的“心神”<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>真是验证机?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356546>发表于 2009-12-1 11:08 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356546>这只是鬼子的模型,有说法是以YF-23为蓝本的,目前心神具体进展不知道。不过个人认为日本鬼子这个还差的远,基础研究不够,设施也不具备,研发队伍要打折扣的。很多东西都是别人在帮鬼子,“帮”。<BR><BR>附:YF-23<BR> 1.jpg <BR><IMG alt="" src="http://www.huachengnz.com/upload/forum/200903/20090306052213lm.jpg"><BR> 2.jpg <BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 电死个人 于 2009-12-1 11:15 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356622>未来十年我们能做成什么?<BR>海军的核潜艇、航空母舰,有了和将要有了。<BR>二炮的洲际导弹、反卫星武器,已经装备和正在装备<BR>陆军的主战坦克,99的后继型号干的如火如荼。<BR>这些都是各军种的主战兵器,是各军种的标志,是不久的发展。<BR>轮到空军,特别是未来10年内的空军,找个3.8代的中型战斗机还要号称“攻防兼备,首战用我,全程用我,用我必胜”,空军胜的哪门子胜?<BR>空军的脸往哪里放?哪空军还抬得起头来吗?哪空军岂不是后娘养的?<BR>所以,何副司令在60年空军建军节上的这番话,大有来头!<BR>别忘了,海军也是60年,胡哥可是去了!数十艘大舰浩浩荡荡,胡哥戴上白手套,神清气爽。<BR>相比较,空军也是过节,谁都没有去,空军有点憋气。<BR>老何吼一嗓子!给空军提提气!<BR>这一嗓子下来,环顾四周,风云激荡啊!<BR>四代一出,谁与争锋?!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356627>发表于 2009-12-2 01:02 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-2 12:54 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1356622&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.11238544110642301 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>别忘了,海军也是60年,胡哥可是去了!数十艘大舰浩浩荡荡,胡哥戴上白手套,神清气爽。<BR>相比较,空军也是过节,谁都没有去,空军有点憋气。<BR>老何吼一嗓子!给空军提提气!</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>真是说到点子上了。。。。 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356628>发表于 2009-12-2 01:07 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356628>空军非常的低调,这个和空军的作战目的和作战方式决定的。突然之间一高调,呵呵。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356819>发表于 2009-12-2 09:24 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356819>对啊,我就觉得空军60周年好像少点啥的,原来胡哥没去&nbsp; &nbsp;空军有点急了,大泄了一下,然后又拉了刹车,结果弄的小白一头雾水。。应该就是这个样子</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=36625" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>洋芋</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356823>发表于 2009-12-2 09:26 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356823>小白们被忽悠惨了,自己先就心神不宁了!<BR><BR><BR><BR>其实不光是军事科技上,在其他科技领域方面中国也在不断地放卫星,原因估计就是 1:有钱了,敢玩,玩得起,一个主题我放10个组同时去研究,10个课题里面成功3个,这三个也比过去资金匮乏的时候一个主题放一个,成功失败都靠它要强多了;而且其他7个失败了的组也没白瞎,积累的数据和经验以及培养的人这可不是说没有就没有了的,2:人才,98年大学扩招以来培养的大批高、中学历的研究生和本科生现在已经形成了梯队,年龄上正好是开花结果期,而且这些人都有与国外交流的经历,眼界开放,思维敏锐,即使中间有些混吃混喝的主,但是他想混的下去,还是要有点真本事才行;3:人的欲望,呵呵,这个就不说了吧,大家都穷的时候基本上不太思进取,但是现在贫富差距出来后,相对贫的人总有相当一部分想通过自己的努力进入相对富的阶层,这过程不拼命基本上没成功的可能性,除非有个富老子,否则还是踏踏实实干出来比较实在!<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 洋芋 于 2009-12-2 09:52 AM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=72762" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>布衣青裳</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo><EM id=authorposton1356870>发表于 2009-12-2 09:59 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<H2>别“心神”了,先把个“自制”的整利索再说吧!</H2>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356870>小鬼子还差的远呢,目前还正在争取当“正常人”的关键性阶段,一个不留神还得继续做“阉人”,更别提啥军工了,痛苦呀!水深火热的被压迫呀..........<BR>小日本的工艺党<BR>----------------------------<BR> 1.jpg <BR> 2.jpg <BR>该机据说是1995年度出厂交付的,上次海卫的怪中国的电冰箱,这次恐怕得是中国矿石惹的祸!万恶的中国产品呀,可见亡小日本之心不死呀!阴谋,大大滴阴谋...........:lol :lol :lol<BR>补图<BR> 3.jpg <BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2009-12-2 10:07 AM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1356876>发表于 2009-12-2 10:05 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356876>&nbsp;{:soso_e134:}那是掉落的啥玩意{:soso_e134:} 怎么和皮薄的日本车一样{:soso_e134:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356909>原帖由 刀口 于 2009-12-2 12:54 AM 发表 <BR>别忘了,海军也是60年,胡哥可是去了!数十艘大舰浩浩荡荡,胡哥戴上白手套,神清气爽。<BR>相比较,空军也是过节,谁都没有去,空军有点憋气。<BR>老何吼一嗓子!给空军提提气!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356911>除了发动机,别的都没问题了!老何根据现在的进展判断届时发动机也没问题,但是毕竟还只是估计,再加上一“激动”给别人提供了攻击的靶子,所以现在降降温,变成“歼十改”了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>不明真相的酱油</I> 于 2009-12-2 11:39 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1356913&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.13965696051998483 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>F15j也入乡随俗?节约?更雅阁一样啊 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>某日在某地,见某修理厂硕大红底白字横幅“专修飞度车身凹陷,车辆美容”,本以为鬼子只是卖给某些国人的货不匝地,原来自用的也一个德行</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>maokong</I> 于 2009-12-2 11:48 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1356919&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9974570314361228 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>毛子给咱们50台D30 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>D30是伊尔76的发动机吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1356996>4代机的“超音速巡航”能力和两个方面相关,1个是发动机,1个是跨音速减阻。<BR>(其实3代机发射中距弹,超音速下发射都是标准战法之一)<BR>发动机的问题,咱们可以被说到的就是个“成熟度”的不足了,说穿了,都是时间的问题!<BR>高性能新材料的配比需要大量的时间,可靠性的增长需要大量的时间,发动机燃烧性能需要大量的试验时间,各个部件的匹配对比需要大量的时间..........经费给足了,试验条件具备了,设想经验都来自时间的验证和完善。<BR>再过10年,咱们一定会有一个不一样的发动机产业!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1357290>轰六不是说是山寨版D30吗?WS多少去了?此50台D30可能是05年伊尔合同中的吧。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1357323>改进的伊尔76MD已经换装PS-90A-76,油耗比D30节省18%左右。我们要伊尔76MD的最新改进型,可见这批D30不是用于伊尔76的,此前有公开报道,说有的轰六换装D30。<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 龙剑 于 2009-12-3 12:49 AM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1357398>发表于 2009-12-2 11:32 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-1 08:39 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1356302&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.579591327453105 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>关于四代机,关键是:<BR>你想做成什么?<BR>你能做成什么?<BR>想做成什么?首先是必须能够在当代防空条件下实现“突防”,不是在越南的防空条件下突防,而是在美国和鬼子的防空条件下突防,否则你把它做出来干什么呢?有 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>_________________________________________<BR><BR>及其赞成!!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=4269" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>刀口</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1357451>发表于 2009-12-3 12:13 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1357451>发动机的问题,说句很俗的话:好不好都是秘密啊。<BR>装备的数量、使用的情况,出现的问题,优缺点,等等,都是秘密。现在引导网友的主要还是几个比较大牌的BKC。<BR>四代也好,大十也好,都需要发动机,如果还有大的问题,大十不也是瞎掰吗?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1358094>发表于 2009-12-3 12:50 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358298>超大就是BKC的聚居区{:soso_e101:} {:soso_e101:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358604>进入21世纪,中央领导和空军领导多次光顾发动机厂所,特别是空军领导吐血喷出“同呼吸共命运”“抓住最后的机遇。。。。。。”等话,其实翻译过来就是“搞不好大家一起完蛋”的意思,话语之沉重像烧红的铁。<BR>进入09年空军60年大庆,空军领导满面笑容鼓吹四代很快就会首飞!我们不能想象这是使用了俄罗斯发动机的首飞!<BR>买糕!那算什么?!{:soso_e116:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1358622>发表于 2009-12-3 05:52 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358622>压力变动力! 搞不好滚蛋,让别人上!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1358626>发表于 2009-12-3 05:55 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-3 05:41 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1358604&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7829165060600631 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>进入21世纪,中央领导和空军领导多次光顾发动机厂所,特别是空军领导吐血喷出“同呼吸共命运”“抓住最后的机遇。。。。。。”等话,其实翻译过来就是“搞不好大家一起完蛋”的意思,话语之沉重像烧红的铁。<BR>进入09 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>买糕?买什么糕?蛋糕还是瓦儿糕?{:soso_e134:} {:soso_e101:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=72762" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>布衣青裳</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1358628>发表于 2009-12-3 05:56 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<H2>刀版的话掷地有声!</H2>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358628>好!就是如此。航空工业.动力先行,这个口号喊了多少年了。<BR>发动机不解决,4代就肯定喊不响,刀版的话,完全符合逻辑。看过,摸过,差点抱过“高推核心机”的老刀出手不凡呀。:lol</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1358641>发表于 2009-12-3 06:02 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1358642>发表于 2009-12-3 06:03 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>山桐</I> 于 2009-12-3 05:55 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1358626&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.22651672452921895 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>买糕?买什么糕?蛋糕还是瓦儿糕?{:soso_e134:}&nbsp;{:soso_e101:} </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>O 买糕<BR>看来刀版的E文和我一样啊<BR>我只认识25个字母。。。。。{:soso_e127:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358645>E文太垃圾了<BR>要26个字母才能说话<BR>汉字只要5个<BR>一,1,/,\,7<BR>呵呵<BR>最复杂的,也是最简单的<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 swiftosos 于 2009-12-3 06:05 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358669>汶川地震,我们看见的几个军,有一个没有报道干什么去了。<BR>他们的目标有几个,都是关键的单位,总装把持的风洞群,一航把持的某院,以及核基地等等。<BR>天佑中华!几个单位很快的恢复工作。<BR>任务紧啊!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358689>刀口老大同志,刚来到网天的时候曾经看到过您关于J10的源头 写成的小说从莫斯科街头的坦克,我军购买苏27战斗机的使命. 中途以色列以及国外势力的接触... 非常精彩·一直念念不忘,也有很多人都希望你能完成那一篇小说,但是不知道能否实现..</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1358694>发表于 2009-12-3 06:36 PM</EM> |
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358694>回想当时总理说调集100架直升飞机来抗震救灾.出现在民众视线里不到一半.从军事纪实看到空降兵在风洞训练的画面,没有波及到哪地方.真乃是天佑中华!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358697>是啊,无论在网天还是CD,都还是有多少人想着能够在今后看见四代他是用自己的发动机首飞,但是它仍还存在一定问题,很多人对它现在装机使用没有信心,又是无奈,又是叹气,死也憋着一口气..疼着 牵着肠子的想着中国心.&nbsp;&nbsp;这ID也一直游客潜水到11.11那天注册作为纪念..中国空军万岁!<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 复仇角斗士 于 2009-12-3 06:49 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-3 00:13 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1357451&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.616968520247662 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>发动机的问题,说句很俗的话:好不好都是秘密啊。<BR>装备的数量、使用的情况,出现的问题,优缺点,等等,都是秘密。现在引导网友的主要还是几个比较大牌的BKC。<BR>四代也好,大十也好,都需要发动机,如果还有大的问题 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 我比较认可刀口的话:发动机特殊的问题已经找到,相应的解决办法呢,就不会是困难找到了。整体进度十分乐观了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>复仇角斗士</I> 于 2009-12-3 06:33 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1358689&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.1985939322571229 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>刀口老大同志,刚来到网天的时候曾经看到过您关于J10的源头 写成的小说从莫斯科街头的坦克,我军购买苏27战斗机的使命. 中途以色列以及国外势力的接触... 非常精彩·一直念念不忘,也有很多人都希望你能完成那一篇小 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>争取!争取!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-3 06:16 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1358669&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9914558752421299 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>汶川地震,我们看见的几个军,有一个没有报道干什么去了。<BR>他们的目标有几个,都是关键的单位,总装把持的风洞群,一航把持的某院,以及核基地等等。<BR>天佑中华!几个单位很快的恢复工作。<BR>任务紧啊! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>问刀版个问题<BR>512是MD干的吧?<BR>万恶的帝国主义<BR>啥时候能报这个仇啊?<BR>难道我们要把512和谐掉吗?<BR>80000条人命啊!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>swiftosos</I> 于 2009-12-3 07:56 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1358809&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6815657020395265 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>问刀版个问题<BR>512是MD干的吧?<BR>万恶的帝国主义<BR>啥时候能报这个仇啊?<BR>难道我们要把512和谐掉吗?<BR>80000条人命啊! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>没有可能,那美帝也太厉害了。<BR>地震是上万氢弹都达不到的,美国靠什么能在我们的地下埋这么多氢弹?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358881>貌似是想地下发射什么电磁波吧?<BR>2009年2月,北京就建立了首都圈地震监测网,就是监测地下电磁波的<BR>我也是在网天看到的这个消息。。。。。。<BR>刀版的沙发</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358882>08/2/8/对方的铁鸟又上天了,一切就象预料的那样的在发生,如果说上一次的仓段带来的是恶劣的气候,那么这次所携带的就是让罪恶泛滥的土壤……<BR><A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=4972" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>perry家族</FONT></A><STRONG>144</STRONG># 大 中 小 发表于 2008-2-8 05:28 PM&nbsp;&nbsp;<A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=9926&amp;page=4" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>显示全部帖子</FONT></A><BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 swiftosos 于 2009-12-3 08:48 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1358902>我还在想<BR>原来在南极上空有个臭氧层空洞<BR>无缘无故哪里来的?<BR>是不是MD用电磁武器在南极上空的臭氧层引爆了炸出来的洞?<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 swiftosos 于 2009-12-3 08:58 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>perry家族</I> 于 2009-12-3 10:56 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1359134&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5557750604646827 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>D30是根据我们的要求专门改造生产的 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>所以我一直怀疑是否只是给轰六用的,咱们的大飞机用的什么发动机?有天看见有6发的大灰机的图,不知是干吗的?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1359305>发表于 2009-12-4 02:16 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>swiftosos</I> 于 2009-12-3 08:46 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1358881&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>貌似是想地下发射什么电磁波吧?<BR>2009年2月,北京就建立了首都圈地震监测网,就是监测地下电磁波的<BR>我也是在网天看到的这个消息。。。。。。<BR>刀版的沙发 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>但凡地震都会造成震区电离层异常.这是地震导致的地磁活动异常造成电场强度变化的副产品.垂直电场强度和地质运动有一定的相关作用.因果关系不能弄反了.<BR>如果真想靠某种某种常规能源的微波仪器将北京地区的地感垂直电场强度提升一到两个数量级诱发地震,那美国人民至少得做好一个世纪不用电的决心来支援国家建设.况且这么多电存起来最多也只够Mr president爽一次</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>swiftosos</I> 于 2009-12-3 07:56 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1358809&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>问刀版个问题<BR>512是MD干的吧?<BR>万恶的帝国主义<BR>啥时候能报这个仇啊?<BR>难道我们要把512和谐掉吗?<BR>80000条人命啊! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>我晕&nbsp;&nbsp;哪里来的消息啊?这也能相信<BR>如果真的是MD干的 那他完全可以借此干掉伊朗了<BR>试问这样谁有话说?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1359593>美帝真是太坏了!<BR>打倒美帝!<BR>咱们继续谈四代吧? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1359599>最近40们都不上电视了,张教授也改口谈别的了,<BR><BR>还是领导们好,透点消息之后让大伙先消化消化,消化完了要吸收,吸收之后要创新。。。。。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1359803>&nbsp;{:soso_e127:}毛子的T50发动机喷口都没有做隐形处理</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1359881>发表于 2009-12-4 01:03 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>布衣青裳</I> 于 2009-12-2 12:41 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1356978&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>D30是伊尔76的发动机吧 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR>我估计是以轰六的名义,其实装的是前段时间爆出的200吨大运。只是D30要6发才够,有点晕</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1359903>弱弱的问一句<BR>我们的丝带内部能装几枚导弹啊?<BR>至少也要4中距加2格斗吧?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=39187" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>东方之子</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1359927>发表于 2009-12-4 01:32 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>大烧饼</I> 于 2009-12-4 12:37 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1359832&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR><BR>我只能说您太乐观了......丝带1型肯定上毛发! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>扯谈!!<BR><BR>毛子会把适合我们四代的发动机会我们吗?!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1359939>发表于 2009-12-4 01:43 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>大烧饼</I> 于 2009-12-4 12:41 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1359837&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR><BR>您怎么知道没什么人去呢?胡哥亲临!只是没海军那么排场显眼罢了 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>又在扯谈!!<BR><BR>这么大的一个空军节日,龙头老大要是去了,那当天的电视和网络媒体肯定头版头条!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1359947>传闻4代的座舱跟35一样也是一平一下,老大们给验证一下。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=95118" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>hu14</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1360006>发表于 2009-12-4 02:25 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>东方之子</I> 于 2009-12-4 01:32 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1359927&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR><BR>扯谈!!<BR><BR>毛子会把适合我们四代的发动机会我们吗?! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>我们投的钱,他们只是负责开发。这是企业行为.......毛子以后不会给北面发动机,但是南面的发动机有毛子充足的保障,只要国内某些人不阻挠就行</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1360353>发表于 2009-12-4 07:15 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>锐持</I> 于 2009-12-4 12:07 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1359768&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> 1.jpg </DIV><BR>毛子的这架飞机正是最不值得看的背面。<BR>从背面看依旧是翼身融合,但是机身下内埋武器舱的设计看不出来。<BR>发动机的喷管裸露,红外特征减少不多。<BR>总之,似乎隐身上注意的不够啊!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1360504>烧饼兄:<BR>接见各国代表和接见英模人物,海军也在海军节前搞了嘛。<BR>大家比的是节日的当天,胡哥有没有出现在庆典现场。<BR>胡哥出现在青岛外海检阅中国海军和各国舰队,场面之隆重热烈国内仅见。<BR>反观空军在小汤山的庆典和后来的表演,胡哥没有来。<BR>至于四代会上什么发动机,你不是也不知道吗?你要知道你说说看?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1360537>发表于 2009-12-4 09:40 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1360537>老毛子的5代一出来,大家都很意外都叫它“猛禽斯基”,其外形比米格的和苏47都缺少“创意”,倒象是火烧火燎赶出来的玩意,当然老毛子的一些硬件确实发达,这个得承认。<BR>老毛子的5代就这样了,能不能脱离这个造型另成一派,就看咱中国的4代了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1360548>发表于 2009-12-4 09:45 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1360548>不能说3代首飞上的是毛发,就一定能说4代也一样吧?说不定先拿“太行改”飞起来再说也可能呢.....</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1360597>高推的核心机我是见过的,也摸过,还想抱一下被一个眼神制止了。<BR><BR>看也看了,摸也摸了,还要抱,你当我是“机”噢!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1360601>发表于 2009-12-4 10:06 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>布衣青裳</I> 于 2009-12-4 09:40 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1360537&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7248587623669636 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>老毛子的5代一出来,大家都很意外都叫它“猛禽斯基”,其外形比米格的和苏47都缺少“创意”,倒象是火烧火燎赶出来的玩意,当然老毛子的一些硬件确实发达,这个得承认。<BR>老毛子的5代就这样了,能不能脱离这个造型另 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>毛子的T50试飞了吗,怎么样,有没有猛禽牛逼</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1360622>还在等“年底”的预计呢,大家都在赌中俄的谁先出来哈 <BR>个人认为老毛子吃老本,这些年新东西研发投入不足,中国这么搞下去会一步步超过老毛子的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>布衣青裳</I> 于 2009-12-4 10:15 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1360622&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6058394838992803 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>还在等“年底”的预计呢,大家都在赌中俄的谁先出来哈 <BR>个人认为老毛子吃老本,这些年新东西研发投入不足,中国这么搞下去会一步步超过老毛子的。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>原来毛子又在吹牛逼。。。。。不屑。。败家子一个{:soso_e112:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1360674>发表于 2009-12-4 10:55 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-4 07:15 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1360353&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7473466372718648 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>毛子的这架飞机正是最不值得看的背面。<BR>从背面看依旧是翼身融合,但是机身下内埋武器舱的设计看不出来。<BR>发动机的喷管裸露,红外特征减少不多。<BR>总之,似乎隐身上注意的不够啊! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>可是我们的不也将会使用类似它的那种发动机么,貌似也没有措施也..</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1360676>其实我也真的怀疑可能,四代首飞的时候·要用Al31FN以保证万无一失..挺杯具的.. 不过和大伙一样相信完善定型的时候,他不会让全世界军迷失望<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 复仇角斗士 于 2009-12-4 10:59 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>ewrl</I> 于 2009-12-4 10:17 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/FORUM/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1360625&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5319208340626779 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/FORUM/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>好像与22差不多! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>F-18+F-22??</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>复仇角斗士</I> 于 2009-12-4 10:55 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1360674&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.893945692201767 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>可是我们的不也将会使用类似它的那种发动机么,貌似也没有措施也.. </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>我们的喷口做出来很久了......可是等啊等啊,等到都锈了还没有等来发动机......</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-4 07:15 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1360353&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.41695056917373235 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>毛子的这架飞机正是最不值得看的背面。<BR>从背面看依旧是翼身融合,但是机身下内埋武器舱的设计看不出来。<BR>发动机的喷管裸露,红外特征减少不多。<BR>总之,似乎隐身上注意的不够啊! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> forum.jpg <BR>据说T-50的第一架原型机在8月底就已经组装完了.只是在地面行发动机联调时出了点问题.拖延了工期<BR>这也是俄罗斯国内媒体里出现的T-50形象在10月份以后出奇一致的原因。要说它和F-22长得像,那只是从90度俯视的角度而言.枪版的三视图的另两面和F-22差异就大了<BR><BR>武器挂架内置和S形进气道的可行性是在Su-47上就验证过的.只不过Su-47的进气道只在二维平面S弯曲.T-50的进气道更进了一步在三维空间里S弯曲.这样能为武器和燃油仓提供更多的空间.<BR><BR>为了保证3D-TVC的使用.T-50不会采用二元喷口.理论上讲喷口对高温尾气的抑制能力要比采用二元喷口的F-22差.但从该T-50图来推测,精心设计的机身产生的引射效应是比F-22更大,能保证喷射出的尾气和外部高速冷空气的更充分的混合.如果再辅以吸热涂料和陶瓷绝热材料的处理.迎头方向上下视30度以内缩减为典型三代机热信号的1/8是很有希望的,这样就能达到红外导引头有效距离缩减2/3的目标。差距主要还是存在于尾向和头向大角度俯视状态,圆喷管对燃气流马赫盘的抑制能力远不如二元喷口,看看在工程发展阶段有没有更好的点子来弥补.不过总体来看,这套枪图的红外隐形效果理论上说不会比F-35差.<BR><BR>该机的电磁信号特征在Su-27的基础上缩减20dB应该问题不大.换句话说头向0度应该能小于0.1平米。为什么这样估计呢.首先这个RCS是俄罗斯的MFI低可探测性指标要求的上限,达不到这个目标就算完不成任务.在苏联时期的实验中,仅靠某种铁氧体吸波涂料就把Mig-23的RCS在X波段降低了22dB.当然这在实战条件下是不可能达到的.但时间又过了20年,离子体沉降工艺的进步使得Su-27M的综合RCS截面降低到了之前的1/5以下.按照<FONT color=black>俄罗斯国家科学研究院电磁理论与应用研究所发布的会议报告原话来说,Su-27M测试机的无线电信号特征在头向30度范围内全面低于MIG-21bis.如果参照F-22外形衰减95%,材料5%的比例,T-50的原型机在0度角的RCS比MIG-21bis再降低2个数量级也是有可能的.</FONT><BR><FONT color=black></FONT><BR><FONT color=black>0.01-0.1平米,这是新一代战斗机的标杆</FONT><BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 锐持 于 2009-12-5 09:46 AM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1361066>锐特兄的图好,解说的也好!<BR>不过按一般惯例,这个图是水分很大的图,而真正的验证机又会有很大的差异,而再到批量型估计改动就大的多了,当然,基本气动设计根据是不会有太大变化的。<BR>所以,现在猜测中国的四代只能从某些不足来判断可能的外形。<BR>比如,发动机的重量决定气动的整体布局,如果用推比8的替代10的,推比10的就应该与试验型的推比8的发动机重量一样,否则配重就是问题,所以,我相信四代的发动机设计上是推比10以上的,如果用所谓的10改试飞,那么批量装机的推比10的重量和体积必然与试飞用的推比8的一样,否则气动外形就要改。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>布衣青裳</I> 于 2009-12-5 07:26 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1361444&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6992031742705536 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>锐持发的917楼的图,和946枪版的图明显是不一样的。<BR>老毛子的5代不知道抗红外焦平面成像弹的能力怎么样,焦平面又在向双波段发展了 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR>大型飞机上可以安装激光定向干扰系统,但因为工程应用上的原因,包括F-22在内,现在的战斗机对成像导引头是没有携带这种特效的对抗手段的.F-35的第5批次可能会将Tenix公司造的激光定向干扰器作为选装套件推出<BR><BR>另外,防卫计算机精确投放的宽频可编程红外干扰弹虽然没法做到诱骗成像导引头转向,但是可以利用红外头无法直接测距的弱点通过实时调制导引头上过热像元的分布区来加大导引头分形识别和比例导引的误差.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-5 02:41 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1360828&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6348522461296132 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>用扩散和收敛喷管判断是不是10是一个最大的误判。<BR>想想就明白了。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>不应该啊..从外形上看不出来31和10的区别么?他们2区别很大也..也就是说现在真的有少量在役战机安装了太行哦{:soso_e132:}</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1362508>实战经验实在太重要了!<BR>咱们第一台万吨水压机还是个民间士工程师做总设计师的呢,总设计师关键看管理“科技”的能力了,话说美国核潜艇之父文凭也不高哈</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1362528>已经飞起来的10B上采用的部分新技术——相控阵雷达?光电雷达,紫外线导弹告警器,和挂架一体化的自卫电子对抗设备,光传操作系统?飞火推一体化系统,头显系统,隐身涂料......另外蚌式进气道也可以起到类似S型进气道的雷达屏蔽作用。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>布衣青裳</I> 于 2009-12-6 08:08 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1362624&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9081956484138332 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>我们多次拒绝与毛子合作四代是有道理的。毛子的东西太糙。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1362715>请问老大这些设施的建设有计划没?感觉这些也是国家的家底啊。<BR><BR>如果曹刚川部长痛骂属实的话,我真佩服空军的领导,飞机和发动机的基本实验测试设备都不舍得建,航空部门使出吃奶的力气把美帝的涡扇发动机研仿出来,出了点问题不是来鼓励打气,却跑来怪话连篇<BR>空军先跟美帝和苏俄一样把这些设备建好以后再骂航空部门吧<BR>======为保今后5一10年内,FWS-10和10号机等型号试验和推比10预先研究试验的需求,同时兼顾基础保障条件建设“十五”规划.就应立足在对现有试验设备设备进行适应性改造的基础上, 新建分国内尚属空白的急需设备,.这样才能解决建设周期与型号急需之间的矛盾。<BR>重点试验设备建设 <BR>1、加力燃烧室试验舱 世界上先进航空大国的军民用飞机已经发展到相当高的水平,飞机对发动机的需求越来越 高.第四代战斗斗机更向高机动性、高速、高推重比(9一10)、推力矢量、小涌道比的方向发展,以美国的F119,欧洲的EJ-200,俄罗斯AL-41,将是21世纪的先进代表,推重比 都在9-10左右,配装的战斗机机动性、速度却越来越高。作为超音速飞机的加力燃烧室是 发动机的主要部件之一,到目前为止仍不能采用小尺寸模拟试验,而它在高空条件下的问题 更多,如高空加力点火、稳定燃烧、冷却问题等都随着很多因素而改变,而燃烧效率也是随高度的增加而减少。因此,为了保证加力燃烧室稳定工作。必须要在高空模拟试车台进行反 复多次的试验.要研制一台加力室,一般要在高空台上进行2000小时试脸,若要用主机与 加力燃烧室联合进行多次试验,则需要4到6台主发动机.况且主发动机是新研制的,-且联台 试验出现问题就比较难以分析,势必影响整个发动机的研制周期&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>国外加力燃烧室研究开始较早,凡有高空台的国家都建有专门的试验加力燃烧室的高空舱,俄罗CAIM有一个舱专门试验燃烧室,英国国家燃气涡轮研究所50年代就建成有加 力燃烧室高空试验舱,也就是2号舱。<BR>我国现已建成高空模拟试脸台,但没有专门的加力燃烧室试验舱.国内某型发动机的加 力燃烧室试验目前只有在国外进行试验。“九五”期间国家批准了在中国燃气涡轮研究院的 高空模拟试验台上建立加力燃烧室试验器的项目,该项目已通过俄罗斯专家的咨询,现已完成加温器的设计和加工,由于没有专门的试验舱,仍无法投入使用,因此,有必要建设我国 自己的加力燃烧室高空试脸设备。<BR>2.核心机试验台  <BR>纵观当今在役和在研的高性能民用和军用航空发动机,几乎无一例外都采用部件研制-- -核心机研制--验证机验证--型号研制及发展的研制途径。例如:美国F0OO, F119,欧洲的 RB199, EJ200,罗-罗公司的瑞达发动机,在瑞达700的核心机上,发展了瑞达800、500、8104等多个型号发动机以满足不同飞机的需要.我国的军用航空发动机从仿制到自制仍然没有走过一个全过程。目前,我国在研的先进 航空发动机,核心机也是利用国外的成熟核心机。中国燃气涡轮研究院在九五期间己走 过部件到核心机研制历程,并获得成功。实践证明走这条路研制先进发动机是行之有效的 随着世界航空的发展,航空发动机发展起来越快,发动机的推重比己在8(第三代战斗 )机),甚至9-10(第四代战斗机)以上,相应地核心机进口气流的压力已达.4-0.7MPa, 进口温度在425-523K之间,甚至更高己经不可能在普通地面试车台上进行核心机工况的 直接模拟。核心机的部件性能匹配、工况变化时对其工作的性能、操作性、可靠性和寿命等均 有显著的影响,不能仅仅依靠数值技术来模拟,必顿借助真实工况模拟来考核和完善核心机 的设计。为此必须建设核心机试车台。发动机稳定性评定试验 随着现代飞机的发展对发动机的要求越来越高,战术机机动越来越复杂.先进飞机如 苏27, F-16MATY几乎都能完成普加乔夫“眼镜蛇”机动飞行、柯比待机动(Kulbit)、布斯特机动飞行、榔头机动、大远角下滑侧转机动等。在进行机动飞 <BR>行时一发动机进气流场压力崎变相当严重,如果发射武器,发动机进口同时存在压力、度崎变,这将影响发动机的稳定工作,从而影响作战性能。影晌发动机稳定因素很多,但压 力、温度崎变影响发动机稳定性较强,国外在50年代就开始进行压力、温度崎变的研究,并 建有相应的试验台和标准,如美国的ARP1420和AIR1419燃气祸涡轮协发动机进口流场畸变评定 指南,英国的DEF STAN00-971《飞机燃气涡轮发动机通用规范》,俄罗斯的《航空动力装置 稳定裕度的选择和检查指南等&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>我国在80年代初期开始进行了发动机稳定性研究.掌握了进口压力畸变板、畴变网、峭变 发生器、擂板式压力畸变装置研制技术,走过了从模型--1:1--型号试验的过程.并在WP13AII、WP-14, FWS-10型号上成功运用。90年代开始温度崎变发生器的研制,全套引进俄罗期规 范,建立自己的温度畸变发生器并调试成劝。根据型号发展,要完成温度压力的组合畸变,仍然不能满足要求.因此要对现有温度 <BR>畸变发生器进行改造,建立自己的稳定性评定试验设备<BR>3.全温全压全尺寸压气机试验台 作为发动机的主要部件,’压气机向高转速、大功率、高压比方向发展,以减小耗油率, 增加有效负载,提高经济性。现代民机的压气机总压20-40,军机的发动机总压比20-35, 对发动机的部件研制试验台要求越来越高。国外在60年代就建有全温全压压气机试验台,如 英国国家燃气涡轮研究院的压气机试验设备,因此,有必要在利用现有气源的基础上,建设 全温全压全尺寸压气机试验台<BR><BR>4.高温高压全尺寸涡轮试验台 涡轮部件是发动机的三大部件之一,始终处于最恶劣的环境— 高温、高转速,也是发 动机最容易出现问题的部件。英国国家燃气涡轮研究院在60年代就建有25000马力的涡轮试 验器。我国70年代在燃气涡轮研究院建有国内最大的涡轮综合试验器,最大功率为3697.2马 <BR>力,进气温度383K-783K,进气总压不大于0. 5MPa,πt不大于12,因此.有必要建立我国自己的高温高压全尺寸涡轮试验器 <BR><BR>5.全温全压全尺寸燃烧室试验器 现代飞机要向大流量、高压气比方向发展,军机达100kg/s以上,压比达35,民机更高, 压比达40左右。作为发动机的主要部件燃烧室,空气流量、压比、温度更高,温度达800K压力达35MPa/平方米,一般的燃烧室试验器,已不能编足试验要求。作为中国最大气源动力的燃气涡轮研究院建有:主燃烧高空点火试验器,常压燃烧试验器,喷嘴试验器,环形燃烧室试 <BR>验器等,设备能力:流量220kg/平方米,温度773K,压力8kg/平方厘米,只能进行模型和研究性试验我国自行设计的某型发动机燃烧烧室,在研制阶段由于受条件限制只能进行1/4扇型件和空气直接加温试验,对局部超温、效率等始终不能给出出准确的结论,原因是试脸工况和实际 工况相差太大。1999年受设计单位委托,中国燃气涡轮研究院为委托方完成了在全温全压的 燃烧室试验找到了问题,给出准确的结论,实践证明要发展高性能燃烧室部件,有必要建立 全温全压全尺寸燃浇室试验台</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1363364>发表于 2009-12-7 01:07 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1363364>在家里就可实现战略威慑,好东西!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1363375>发表于 2009-12-7 01:12 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>wwwobserver</I> 于 2009-12-7 01:07 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1363364&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>在家里就可实现战略威慑,好东西! </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>看来当铺没有骗人&nbsp; &nbsp;</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=92532" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>天地浮云</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1363398>发表于 2009-12-7 01:30 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<H2>回复 968# 正义自有力量 的帖子</H2>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1363398>你的图好啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1363435>发表于 2009-12-7 01:55 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>天地浮云</I> 于 2009-12-7 01:30 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1363398&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.26502181412435654 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>你的图好啊 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>图应该出自鼎盛</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1363504>发表于 2009-12-7 02:45 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1363523>发表于 2009-12-7 02:54 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<H2>难道是当年“共同探索性研究”的成果?</H2>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1363523>锐持发的那个毛5枪版图,到让咱想起了这个..............<BR> 1.jpg </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1363536>发表于 2009-12-7 02:59 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1363536>据说4代发动机是领先于4代机开始的,热烈庆祝贵航搬家的八股文里是说“09年新型涡扇发动机取得重大进展...”,这个是WS13吧。<BR> 1.jpg </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1363659>发表于 2009-12-7 04:15 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1363825>发表于 2009-12-7 06:02 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1363825>国家队也介入无人机的研发了,中国无人机的希望很大。<BR>目前出来的看,“暗X”系列应该是反应最高水平的了........</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1364219>发表于 2009-12-8 12:33 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>布衣青裳</I> 于 2009-12-7 02:54 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1363523&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.23977031964371465 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>锐持发的那个毛5枪版图,到让咱想起了这个..............<BR>&nbsp; 1.jpg </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>老图了!<BR>不过与毛子的T50还是有很大区别,毛5是梯形机翼,这个是切角三角形,而且有两片雷人的腹鳍。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1364260>发表于 2009-12-8 02:06 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1364260>听人家说,我们的发动机又要拖后腿了。我觉得没有发动机就没有航空业。从这里看,我们赶超美俄还有很多路要走。毛子的5代肯定先于我们的,也肯定比我们的好。我们5代出来了,老美6代都服役了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1364325>四代是分系统的集合,一项不行怎么称为全系统合格?<BR>很快就要首飞的难道是个分系统不合格的飞机吗?这是个不需要特别动脑筋就会想明白了的问题。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>pplu</I> 于 2009-12-8 02:06 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1364260&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5297565026918463 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>听人家说,我们的发动机又要拖后腿了。我觉得没有发动机就没有航空业。从这里看,我们赶超美俄还有很多路要走。毛子的5代肯定先于我们的,也肯定比我们的好。我们5代出来了,老美6代都服役了。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR>BS无知的{:soso_e112:}&nbsp;&nbsp;BKC</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1364540>发表于 2009-12-8 10:44 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-8 08:08 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1364325&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9278586835176359 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>四代是分系统的集合,一项不行怎么称为全系统合格?<BR>很快就要首飞的难道是个分系统不合格的飞机吗?这是个不需要特别动脑筋就会想明白了的问题。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><FONT size=3>刀口不要跟某些人一般见识了,有些人就是认为咱们的不行,你再解释也没用。他们要BKC,就由他们去吧。大伙心里亮堂着呢。</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1364668>这恐怕和奥巴马增兵计划有关,奥巴马要增兵3万,这在美国可不是个小数,它意味着3万多人的补给要跟上,所以想借咱们的道运输给养。按有关规定武器是不能运的,要报关和检查,估计美军也不干。所以,有可能是只运给养和一些设备。<BR>奥巴马这次来恐怕也有这个议题,传出来算是无风不起浪吧?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>小猪爱迷糊</I> 于 2009-12-8 10:44 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1364540&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.11768936613456321 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR><BR>刀口不要跟某些人一般见识了,有些人就是认为咱们的不行,你再解释也没用。他们要BKC,就由他们去吧。大伙心里亮堂着呢。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>亚洲的战略格局被撼动,但是难于撼动BKC的嘴炮 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1365583>发表于 2009-12-9 03:48 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-8 11:56 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1365488&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.05271500675399565 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>与世界上其他地方相比,我们的形势是最严峻的。比如欧洲,欧洲作为一个整体互相没有敌意,而且欧洲已经因为拥有双风和F35,又没有F22的直接威胁,欧洲已经是四代的欧洲了。<BR>但是,亚洲特别是东亚,我们是被逼迫研发 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>一步先,步步先的道理</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1365588>这儿的几位老大都是一点架子没有的,一到经济板块就牛人多了。。<BR><BR>以后军坛就把经济板块给一锅端了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1365659>发表于 2009-12-9 08:41 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-8 06:58 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1365103&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>亚洲的战略格局被撼动,但是难于撼动BKC的嘴炮&nbsp;&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR><STRONG>Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.</STRONG><BR><BR><BR>你永远不能战胜一个纯S X,因为他会把你的智商拉到跟他个水平,然后用丰富的经验打败你。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1366751>想要某些人说咱们的4代完全国产,这个是不可能的!<BR>扯上棉花访一访也是要纺上去的,那怕你国际化采购个螺丝,那也是会成为“关键性配件”!美国佬更是会提供炮弹的,到时候啥“间谍说”“泄密说”..肯定都得来。<BR>4代这玩意,一旦神话,那就和当年那原子弹一样,你没有这玩意腰杆子它就是不硬!谁叫你现在给戴上了“负责任大国”的帽子,没有?那咋能负个啥责起嘛! <BR>亚洲的局势呢,更加象个迷障,你要做个区域大国,挑开迷障后面就站着的是美国。你要做个全球大国,直接面对的还是美国。<BR>所以空军要加油!光4代出来也还只是区域影响,海军已经在全球发挥影响力了!<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2009-12-9 06:21 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1366756>棒子和日本的“四代”上哪找风洞吹风去?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>wolf-zhang</I> 于 2009-12-9 03:54 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1365588&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>这儿的几位老大都是一点架子没有的,一到经济板块就牛人多了。。<BR><BR>以后军坛就把经济板块给一锅端了。 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>hehe,以前有位别的论坛的老大谈到这里,说这里的人都是牛人,特别是还有几个“知道谜底的人”。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>tonnybingo</I> 于 2009-12-9 06:20 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1366756&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>棒子和日本的“四代”上哪找风洞吹风去? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>切!人家一定会说,通过计算机仿真“核爆炸”都可以模拟,小鬼子.棒子那电子化水平,模拟计算个气动力外形,小客死啦........ <BR>总之呢,不象中国“不是偷,就是仿”,连月亮都没有人家的圆!(中国风洞已经可以到24马赫了——这个消息一定是谣传,一定是红裤衩们YY的....):lol :lol</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1366937>发表于 2009-12-9 08:19 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1366937>24马赫的风洞吹啥啊?<BR>340m/s * 24 = 8160 m/s<BR>啥?第一宇宙速度?吹火箭的?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>正义自有力量</I> 于 2009-12-9 08:12 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1365619&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>全世界的隐身战斗机热说到底还是三家最热,真正又研发又装备的现在看只有美中俩家,毛子是年年吹要首飞,年年飞不起来,真的能飞起来了,又能装备多少呢?现役的苏27飞行员是俄军飞行员里飞的最多的,一年才能飞20多个小时,相比中国的200小时差了十倍,而每年装备苏式飞机的数量是以个位出现的。我们不能相信毛子即便四代(他叫五代)试飞成功,究竟能装备多少?<BR>俄印合作研发四代如果一共预算是10块钱,其实能花的可能只有印度那五块,鬼才相信印度不当大头。<BR>试飞是钱堆出来的,更别说是隐身的四代了。<BR>2012年试飞,2015年就能装备到印度军队?!<BR>呵呵!看看那艘航母就知道了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367232>发表于 2009-12-10 12:09 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>布衣青裳</I> 于 2009-12-9 06:31 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1366778&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>切!人家一定会说,通过计算机仿真“核爆炸”都可以模拟,小鬼子.棒子那电子化水平,模拟计算个气动力外形,小客死啦........ <BR>总之呢,不象中国“不是偷,就是仿”,连月亮都没有人家的圆!(中国风洞已经可 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>去美国吹风洞要排队,不是说今天你想吹就能吹,肯定是美国自己的先吹,另外吹的数据美国人肯定搞个备份,秘密就全泄露了。<BR>再有就是鬼子和棒子四代的发动机从哪里来,美国能卖给他们F119吗?我看悬!另外,要造四代,鬼子要整合全机的各个系统,要反复论证修改,还要去美国吹,吹完了改,改完了吹,还要看美国的脸色。这个麻烦和难受大了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1367266>24M!!在其中早活化了!!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=95896" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>锐持</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367296>发表于 2009-12-10 04:50 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>tonnybingo</I> 于 2009-12-9 06:20 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1366756&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>棒子和日本的“四代”上哪找风洞吹风去? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR>韩国四代机的外形概念最开始是外包給萨伯做的.不出意外的话至少有一种缩比模型是在FOI-FFA的低速风洞里完成的气动验证.到目前为止心神的气动设计和研证还真全是日本自己做的.就开发战斗机的风洞技术要求来说,日本并不缺乏.各类型的风洞配套比较齐全.空气动力学研究水平也不低.同时又具有数型喷气式战斗机从气动外形仿制到独立设计开发的完整经验.有独立研究开发能力,有实际操作经验.这是印度和韩国不能比的.所以说日本基础是很好的,只是不知道在四代机的气动上有多少技术储备?<BR><BR>从现在已经批露的信息来来,日本最大的问题可能还是在发动机上.从法国试验的结果来看心神的外形隐形能力应该不会差过外销版的F-35.部分数据已经能从防卫省技术研究本部电子装备研究所的论文集里搜集到.暂时还没法做全面的分析.从主观描述上来说.技术研究本部认为心神RCS的反射面就像一只昆虫.相对来说,外销型的F-35从国防部从绝对隐身标准降级到高度隐身后.RCS的主观描述从一只高尔夫球变成了一只小鸟.吸波涂料方面,日本的基础应该是很强的.所以我认为现在的总体隐形效果对于日本的要求来说是足够了.先进AESA项目组从三陵电机情报技术综合所的综述上看完成度应该也比较高了.电子装备所监督开发的高速数据处理系统和光传概念系统甚至还做过抗EMP实验.<BR><BR>相比之下XF-5-1只是个用来作性能演示的装置.即使想直接膛大了来用也不是日本自己短时间能完成的.我感觉这也是日本最近不断拉拢法国的原因.从防卫省给国会提交的报告上来看,下一代机的自主开发会绕开美国.毕竟在F-2项目中吃的亏已经够长记性了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=18575" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>跳舞的剑</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367339>发表于 2009-12-10 07:53 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1367339>日本没有自己的大型风洞的,它的风洞系统不完整,这是它研制飞机的最大制约。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367341>发表于 2009-12-10 07:59 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-9 08:28 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1366949&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6256548254351588 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>全世界的隐身战斗机热说到底还是三家最热,真正又研发又装备的现在看只有美中俩家,毛子是年年吹要首飞,年年飞不起来,真的能飞起来了,又能装备多少呢?现役的苏27飞行员是俄军飞行员里飞的最多的,一年才能飞20 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><IMG style="WIDTH: 210px; HEIGHT: 252px" height=1451 alt="" src="http://image215.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20091210/07/5374243420091210075736049.jpg" width=1414></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=86683" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>正一品上</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367405>发表于 2009-12-10 09:01 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1367405>正义兄的图来了<BR>评论一下<BR>就是毛子实在是太能吹牛逼了<BR><BR>首先副总理说了,四代机将会推迟一年,明年试飞(总之吹牛不用上税)<BR>今年8月,俄空军总司令说:我们将于四代今年11月试飞,表示已有3架歼击机准备试飞 <BR>11月,出现变数,俄空军司令又说:过去说是11月,现在变成12月。。。(过去说是今年,现在说是明年,不知道明年说是啥时候 )<BR>当时,俄军事预测中心主任说了,“目前仅造出了发动机和机翼”(前面还说有三家准备试飞呢{:soso_e140:} )<BR>项目目标是超过美国同类的F35(F22是不敢想了{:soso_e112:} )<BR>国产第五代歼击机研制始于上世纪九十年代,但在2005年之前,项目拨款的原则是剩余多少给多少(毛子真是穷的狠了{:soso_e109:} )<BR>在1997年,苏霍伊就首次尝试制造第五代歼击机(97年开始)<BR>如果一切顺利,PAK FA交付俄空军的时间将为2015年----至少国防部副部长伯伯附近是这么说的。但军事预测中心主任齐家诺科认为这个日期“不现实”(这是毛子和阿三的区别,还有个别人是清醒的{:soso_e112:}&nbsp;{:soso_e112:} )</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367439>发表于 2009-12-10 09:18 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>正义自有力量</I> 于 2009-12-10 07:59 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1367341&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.07115369531284465 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀口是不是兼职 《参考消息》军事版编辑啊, 前一天刚在此分析完俄罗斯经费问题,后一天就上报纸了。<BR><BR>配合的还真好...</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=92872" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>煮酒论鹰熊</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367459>发表于 2009-12-10 09:30 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1367459> 楼上的真细心...</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=47510" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>竹林</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367466>发表于 2009-12-10 09:35 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1367466>中国四代的指标到底是美国四代标准,还是俄罗斯四代标准??</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367542>发表于 2009-12-10 10:20 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>正一品上</I> 于 2009-12-10 09:01 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1367405&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7954653154639162 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>正义兄的图来了<BR>评论一下<BR>就是毛子实在是太能吹牛逼了<BR><BR>首先副总理说了,四代机将会推迟一年,明年试飞(总之吹牛不用上税)<BR>今年8月,俄空军总司令说:我们将于四代今年11月试飞,表示已有3架歼击机准备试飞:l ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><BR>哈哈,又是这个Anatoly Tsyganok在发言.而且还作为报纸的标题.参考消息杯具了.<BR><BR>经常关注俄文媒体就能发现,此人在俄罗斯的名声和平科夫是一类知名人士的.经常在小报上发表雷人言论.是10年一惯制的五代黑和圆锤黑.不论什么媒体采访他都会发布以下两类观点<BR><BR><BR><FONT color=red>1&nbsp;&nbsp;俄罗斯核力量处于崩溃的边缘.不论投多少钱进去都是浪费钱</FONT><BR><FONT color=red>2&nbsp;&nbsp;俄罗斯军事高新技术发展已经后继乏力,应该推行深化改革.裁减人员,多从国外引进技术.</FONT><BR><BR><BR>这个'军事预测中心主任'特别蒙人.咋一看还以为是个政府机构工作人员.实际上它只是一个非政府组织 Moscow Institute Of Political And Military Analysis 莫斯科政治军事分析研究所下面的一个办公室.而这个研究所一个受战略文化基金会控制的非政府组织.战略文化基金会的主要出资人是几家俄罗斯有外国背景的私有金融机构.这几家和苏霍伊和土星的主要融资渠道国有银行和亲政府银行是竞争对手.....剩下的不用多说也能理解到了.&nbsp;&nbsp;苏霍伊控股在市场上哭得越惨,有的人就越高兴.所以权威点的杂志,像莫斯科防务评论之类的从来不和他裹在一起<BR><BR><BR><BR>这个研究所的兴趣广乏的令人咋舌.据说对经济和超军事行为学说的研究还有些影响.但而这间带军事二字的办公室风格和其它办公室有所不同.主要任务是研究俄军的改革问题而不是军事装备发展.所以该主任对技术问题的评论时常让人哭笑不得.<BR><BR>就这篇报道来说吧.实际上是一篇对他访谈的节论.除了第二段第五段和第六段是直接引述俄罗斯服总理和空军司令原话,其他的都是他的话.每段都可以当成改错题来练习。比如I-21是苏联时期的代号,和现在的PAK-FA技术要求完全不同.仅仅造出机翼和发动机就是这次访谈的核心杰作.实际上泽林在空展上表述正在制造三架飞机有一架飞机接近完成时就已经提到发动机地面测试时出了些问题,影响了飞机调试.俄罗斯空军和苏霍伊集团通过外销和国内融资的手法完成的4个团90余架Su-27SM升级计划是近年来俄罗斯空军最大的现代化改进计划.因为在电子设备升级中完全使用国产的设备没有使用法国萨基姆公司的引进技术,此君甚为不满.当然,这是在早前的另一篇报导中的情况.总之,一旦看到'<FONT color=red>苏霍伊终于为另一架第五代原型机米格1.44研制出了AL-41F-1'</FONT>这种神奇的语言就必然可以感受到此砖家的权威程度了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367608>发表于 2009-12-10 10:48 AM</EM> |&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1367608>创新超越促发展--记中航工业雷电院长张昆辉<BR>他早在2000年前就认为,相控阵雷达是未来雷达发展的新方向,是雷达领域的制高点,雷电院必须竭尽全力攻克这个堡垒。2001年,他就明确提出要自主研发相控阵雷达。当时,大家有不同意见,但他始终坚持自己的观点,耐心说服,经三次办公会充分研究,终于达成共识。<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;为了早日摘取相控阵雷达这颗雷达“皇冠”上的明珠,他除了亲自主持总体预研课题研究外,还果断决定抽调相关专业部分优秀技术骨干,成立新技术工作组,从未来武器装备需求及研制顶层设计入手,集中精力和技术人力,联合攻关,突破新一代雷达所涉及的每一个关键技术。<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;2008年,具有完全自主知识产权的相控阵火控雷达,在圆满完成了某飞机的验证试飞后,雷电院向部队机关和集团公司做了汇报,在军方引起了强烈反响,并受到军方各级领导的高度关注。空军景文春副司令专程到无锡了解情况、听完汇报后说:“当初×代机立项时,我有两点担忧,一是发动机问题,二是相控阵雷达问题。今天看来,雷达问题已经解决了,我们已经有了自己的相控阵雷达”。空军首长和空装首长的关注,给了雷电院极大鼓舞和鞭策。该项目在完成它机验证试飞后,原国防科工委在北京组织召开了成果鉴定会,与会专家在认真了解试飞情况后给与了高度评价:“相控阵雷达研制,开创了国内机载火控雷达的新纪元,填补了国内X波段相控阵火控雷达的空白,为我国×代机的研制打下了坚实基础,标志着我国第×代战斗机提升战斗力的时机已经到来”。此项目还荣获该年度国家国防科技成果一等奖。<BR><A href="http://www.aviationnow.cn/2009/0322/5774_2.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.aviationnow.cn/2009/0322/5774_2.html</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1367662>看过一些陈忠言的文章,对其中关于小鬼子和西工大风洞技术交流的描述内容印象深刻,小鬼子为了一些可能的收益,诚惶诚恐的大把大把淘银子,所得甚少还落讥笑哇,于所谓“技术发达国家”的形象所去甚远...........<BR>J-10据说是吹了1.5万次,人民币不比美元欧元,小鬼子的“心神”起码不能低于这个3代机吧,那得多少银子?1.5万次又得排多少年队?来料加工这起码得等人家生产线有空吧,F-2那据说第一的主动相控阵雷达,咱怎么听说成了笑柄了都?<BR>F-2那气动可都美国佬给的现成的数据,没听说是自己个吹出来的呀?........</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1367691>技战术指标和生产、设计和检验标准是两码事。指标瞄准米帝,但是要有我们自己的四代机设计生产检验标准。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367856>发表于 2009-12-10 12:55 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>刀口</I> 于 2009-12-9 08:28 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1366949&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9900961722644916 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR>全世界的隐身战斗机热说到底还是三家最热,真正又研发又装备的现在看只有美中俩家,毛子是年年吹要首飞,年年飞不起来,真的能飞起来了,又能装备多少呢?现役的苏27飞行员是俄军飞行员里飞的最多的,一年才能飞20 ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>貌似毛子的四代机研发进度渐渐地都要落到中国后面去了,问题是中国对毛子四代机进展情况知道多少?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1367872>貌似两国军方都互相渗透了的.. 我想也是比较了解的..&nbsp;&nbsp;我们当然目前还是美标4代咯,老大们可是说 那是在达到了美国的标准之后融入自己一些特点的中国标准{:soso_e116:}<BR><BR>[<I> 本帖最后由 复仇角斗士 于 2009-12-10 01:07 PM 编辑 </I>]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1367950>发表于 2009-12-10 01:39 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>傻把式</I> 于 2009-12-9 08:19 PM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1366937&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8834101459863202 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR>24马赫的风洞吹啥啊?<BR>340m/s * 24 = 8160 m/s<BR>啥?第一宇宙速度?吹火箭的? </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>不能这么算,音素在11000米的高空中的传播速度大概是300米每秒,越高越稀薄,传播速度就越慢<BR>24M风洞是模拟高空的<BR>所以不是吹出8160M/S的风</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1368315>发表于 2009-12-10 04:27 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>原帖由 <I>锐持</I> 于 2009-12-10 04:50 AM 发表 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1367296&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8130154990684072 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A><BR><BR><BR><BR>韩国四代机的外形概念最开始是外包給萨伯做的.不出意外的话至少有一种缩比模型是在FOI-FFA的低速风洞里完成的气动验证.到目前为止心神的气动设计和研证还真全是日本自己做的.就开发战斗机的风洞技术要求来说, ... </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>锐特兄看来很少读国内的八股文,中国在宣布自己的风洞群一个个建成时,的确自称是亚洲第一,世界第二的风洞群,而且也提到日本在这方面的缺失。另外中国风洞群建成后的使用对象不仅仅是飞机,还有各型导弹甚至舰艇。<BR>风洞的确不稀罕,比如做仪表的也有小风洞,我见过几个在北京市里的,当时很奇怪,技术人员一解释我才明白,风洞原来使用面这么广。<BR>从几张图上看,日本的心神不过是个放大的F15,为了内置武器舱,选择了“躬背”设计,同样的道理,为了发动机和武器舱的放置选择了上单翼,结果只能将座舱下斜严重影响了飞行员的后视,几乎看不见后面,这个设计是很失败的,是不得已而为之的无奈设计。<BR>设计上如此笨拙与设计条件有关系,不然就是人笨,反正总要占一项。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=96161" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>swiftosos</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><STRONG><A id=postnum1368498 title=复制本帖链接 href="javascript:;"><FONT color=#800080><EM>1017</EM><SUP>#</SUP></FONT></A> </STRONG>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1368498>发表于 2009-12-10 05:42 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1368498>刀兄,你也是CD的贵宾吧?<BR>NND,我就是转了几个江山兄的话过去鄙视了下小白就被CD禁止访问了<BR>NND,气死我了<BR>那里咋这么白啊?<BR>呵呵,发了这贴<BR>我升级了<BR> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=36938" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>爱人在北回归线</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><STRONG><A id=postnum1368521 title=复制本帖链接 href="javascript:;"><FONT color=#800080><EM>1018</EM><SUP>#</SUP></FONT></A> </STRONG>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1368521>发表于 2009-12-10 05:51 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1368521>呵呵,丝带问题继续说,过瘾</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=72762" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>布衣青裳</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><STRONG><A id=postnum1368587 title=复制本帖链接 href="javascript:;"><FONT color=#800080><EM>1019</EM><SUP>#</SUP></FONT></A> </STRONG>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1368587>发表于 2009-12-10 06:54 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<H2>ZT说是601的...</H2>
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