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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=7057" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>正义自有力量</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441503><FONT size=5>俄罗斯五代, 空中飞行的视频下载</FONT><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <A href="http://rapidshare.de/files/49071969/__20420___32599___26031_1.flv.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://rapidshare.de/files/49071 ... ___26031_1.flv.html</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441505>发表于 2010-1-29 05:42 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441505>俄罗斯五代, 另外一段<BR><BR><A href="http://rapidshare.de/files/49071990/__20420___32599___26031_2.flv.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://rapidshare.de/files/49071 ... ___26031_2.flv.html</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=97398" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>eve2001</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441506>发表于 2010-1-29 05:42 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441506>毛子的飞起来鸟,<BR><BR>俺们的啥时候给漏一下哦?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=97423" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>ggxxs</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441531>发表于 2010-1-29 05:58 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441531><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-1-29 06:06 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>怎么官方没有声音,毛子不是很喜欢吹的吗<BR>这个就像3.5,可能还不如F35</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441561>发表于 2010-1-29 06:26 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441561><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2010-1-29 06:40 PM 编辑 </I><BR> 2.jpg <BR><BR><IMG alt="" src="http://calf.cn/attachments/day_100129/20100129_cf77aff3627930cfae1afzmqKQjXTfIa.jpg"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441575>发表于 2010-1-29 06:30 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441575>看了毛子的水货五代机,我心情大为舒畅啊,我们来说,这是最好的毛子五代机,</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441659>发表于 2010-1-29 07:08 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441659>说实话,我十分的开心,看了这个飞机,感觉毛子再也不可能和中美站在一起了。。。。<BR>为了赶时间,竟然不要质量了,这飞机能很中美未来较量20-30年吗。。。。<BR>要知道,一代飞机可是要用至少20年的呀</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=101834" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>RedRock</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441666>发表于 2010-1-29 07:11 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441666>其实仔细看看还不赖,只是和期望值比较远,和f22相差也不少。<BR>现在就期待我们的丝带了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441677>就等老毛子宣布采用“等离子体隐身”了,要不首先这外形隐身就够呛。<BR>其它的看不出来或者没有细节报道,就不好评估了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=48026" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>roadyangjian</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441689>发表于 2010-1-29 07:19 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441689>大家怎么能一眼就断定人家毛五就不行呢,是不是有点武断了,毕竟这是三家才有的东西,</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441722>发表于 2010-1-29 07:30 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441722><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1441689&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1645#</FONT></A> <I>roadyangjian</I> </STRONG><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 因为咱们对于咱们的4代期望高,老毛子对毛5吹嘘高。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=53099" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>穷也达也</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441767>我对各位网天老大的话一般都会认真分析,然后都会很认同各位老大分析的结果。<BR><BR>但由于我对军备细节不是太关注,所以不太明白,为什么大家一看见毛五的样子都认定它不行呢?<BR><BR>是不是机形隐身不合理?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441770>各个角度的图都看了下,这毛子的猛禽斯基从外形上来看确实不咋滴。。。唉。。。曾经多牛逼的一个国家,现在是真的不行了啊。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1441772>发表于 2010-1-29 07:55 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441772><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1441767&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1647#</FONT></A> <I>穷也达也</I> </STRONG><BR>记得有人说过,看一架飞机行不行,看他的外形就知道了。你自己看看,就这外形,你觉得像是一架牛逼的飞机吗?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441804>我在想毛子是不是迫于种种压力,没有办法,把没有成熟的飞机拿出来(不是飞机不行,是指没有达到一些高标准)!!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1441809><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1441767&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1647#</FONT></A> <I>穷也达也</I> </STRONG><BR>航电、反射面积不如中国,发动机不如美国,气动已经定形了,稍大点的批量毛子也买不起<BR>而且普京也好,军方也罢,没有出来吹吹的<BR>其实就是27+++</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1444155><FONT size=5>先别急着盖棺,个人观点,雷达和红外隐身远不如22,也就航程和弹仓比22有优势;<BR>毛5忽悠N年了,出来之时成了破功之日,如在邪恶的网友曰:心情舒畅<BR></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1444193>T50看上去还没有隐身涂料,是不是没有涂装还是根本没有现在看是个谜。<BR>一般来说毛子肯定要在成本控制上下功夫,即便机身和发动机能省,但是航电的钱可是省不下来的,而航电一般占飞机总造价的46%甚至60%,越先进的飞机越是如此,特别是将来“内外有别”这个坑就大了去了,可以说非常大,印度能拿到最好的我是不相信的。<BR>我们不买毛子的苏35自己造四代多少是因为航电方面俄罗斯已经不能满足我们的需要,再就是我们自己的要好过俄罗斯,这个也不是吹,看看A50和空警2000的比较就看出来了。<BR>T50的航程很大,正义兄转的《参考消息》上已经说了5500公里,这个航程与苏30的5200公里差不多,算不上特别的进步。<BR>所以,T50的亮点并不多是实事求是,至于机动性本来就是毛子的强项,应该差不了。四翼面的设计也比较独特,能动的边条很先进。我相信我们的也不差。<BR><SPAN id=attach_7548 style="DISPLAY: none; POSITION: absolute"></SPAN>&nbsp; 2.jpg <A href="javascript:;"></A>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>前几天看了CCTV4<BR>专家说T50的RCS是0。15到0。3之间<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>swiftosos 发表于 2010-1-31 04:00 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1444837&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.442793751836495 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>呵呵,可以去看看忠言他们的评论<BR><A href="http://www.wwgc.cc/luntan/viewthread.php?tid=77864&amp;extra=page%3D1&amp;page=6" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.wwgc.cc/luntan/viewth ... page%3D1&amp;page=6</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1444876><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 正义自有力量 于 2010-1-31 04:34 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>漏斗子<BR>毛子的“五代机”,我也认为是旧家具刷刷漆,添个新把手、换块新镜子,是苏四代整容后的“五代”,忽有人用的。<BR><BR>政治、军事、经济、技术等各方面综合起来,全世界有能力搞四代机的,是美俄欧中四家。除俄以外,美帝第一家已有了,就不说了,还有两家评一评。<BR><BR>中国是铁了心要搞,钱不缺,技术有点够不着,使使劲应该行,但是什么时候能揭锅,不好说。我估计在大运后、大飞机前,可以期待。<BR><BR>与俄罗斯心有余力(钱)不足相反,欧洲是“力有余而心不齐”,有钱人家没得说,英法德瑞加起来,技术储备也有,问题出在商贾出身的老欧洲是个邦联,嘴上说“盟”实际各有小九九,搭美帝便车也没障碍,可以节省银子,毕竟金融危机能省一点是一点,这样一算也泡汤了。<BR><BR>这样算下来,四代机(俄五代)的下一家恐怕只有中国了,未来的天空中美分治,有点眉目了吧。<BR>===== ==============================&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR>陈忠言<BR>老兄这句话就说的不太客观了,根据本人以及本人在相关行业一线工作的同学所知,首先,中国不是心有余而力不足,成都样机09年就出来了,今年就能出来晃晃,开始试飞之后,试飞时间也不会太久,中国的试飞时间一般就是5年左右,可以参考10,飞豹等飞机,所以不是什么时候出来不确定,而是完全可以预期。另外,其一体化的气动布局很科幻——从90年代以来的n万次吹风没有白费,很值得期待,与之配套的有缘相控阵以及综合显示系统,都算齐备了,电子系统我们已经超过俄罗斯,类似西欧,这些都已经是现实,配套发动机ws1x前几年就开始地面试车,进展较为顺利,样机同样可以先用太行试飞,等几年新的发动机也会能用,自然可以无缝衔接,相关机载武器,比如pl12大改,焦平面成像的pl1x等,也都在定型试验中,各方面配套技术,可以说要么已经齐备,要么即将定型,要么距离成功不远,所以还真不存在技术不行的问题,中国这些年这方面发展很快,邓小平下马时代积累的很多问题确实还有残余,但是下马时代大家也不是什么都没干,研究还是继续的,就是没钱定型和装备,技术还是积累了很多,最近这十多年的井喷式大发展,突破和积累更是以几何级数暴涨,可以说问题还有,但不是主流,下定决心之后,技术并不缺,需要做的就是不要再来下马风!" t. p: w$ @5 A7 G5 q( m9 y<BR>————至于欧洲,我建议老兄不要过誉,欧洲单个国家,体系根本不完备,无力支撑四代机,即便联合起来,欠缺的技术也不少,欧洲军用发动机现在仅有中等推理的ws——ej200和m88,大推力ws必须从头开始做,中推和大推区别也是很大的,能做好中推,未必做得好大的,而且就算能做好,也至少需要十年左右,技术规律不是拍拍脑袋就能克服的!而一体化的先进气动布局,也需要至少十多年时间吹风和积累,遗憾的是,欧洲风洞分散,各国各自为战,对四代预研不足,吹风不多,有意义的数据更少,很多国家更是直接指望f35这样的战斗轰炸机充数,根本就没心思验证先进气动布局,所以这一块从现在开始算,没有十几年,欧洲也别想搞定!电子设备算是欧洲的传统强项,有缘相控阵和我国一样,都在现有飞机上试用,这个欧洲倒是不用从头来,不过母猪绑上航电,还是母猪!没平台,电子先进也白扯。与老兄认为的不同,现实是,欧洲最缺的,还是从头做起的技术储备,无论发动机还是气动布局和结构设计,都还没谱呢!<BR><BR>至于毛子,如同我那帖子已经讨论过的,可不仅仅是没钱,电子技术落后,发动机拖后腿,气动布局也没创新,毛病大得很了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1444893>一体化的气动布局很科幻——从90年代以来的n万次吹风没有白费,很值得期待,与之配套的有缘相控阵<BR>==========================================<BR><BR>这个有看头</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>漏斗子<BR>毛子的“五代机”,我也认为是旧家具刷刷漆,添个新把手、换块新镜子,是苏四代整容后的“五代”, ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>正义自有力量 发表于 2010-1-31 04:33 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1444876&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.16371119293070263 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>果然还是专业人士说的有说服力,条理也清晰,赞!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1445856>现在对手不光有f22.f35.将来毛子的T50也会卖给印度,有可能也卖给越南等南海周边国家,毛子向来不安好心的。期待我们的四代啊!不知道我们的四代比毛子会如何,万一不如,周围国家的飞机可都比我们先进了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1445863>东方的:<BR>●美国刚刚公布的“激光反导”也不是什么神话<BR>     不过,在东方评论员看来,就如“美国NMD”一样,几年以来,我们从来就不认为那是个神话,同样,在过去的几年中,我们一向认为美国刚刚公布的“激光反导”也不是什么神话。<BR>    就如“NMD”一旦需要就可以被“C-NMD”给“拆”了一样,我们相信,如果需要,美国刚刚公布的“激光反导”也可以被“C-激光反导”给“拆”了。<BR>    当然,由于过去战略上的失误,暂时没有大飞机的中国还不可能像美国那样进行机载激光反导,但是,由于中国眼前最需要维护的是中国周边的核心利益,且“陆基激光反导”在能源上更能得到保证,在中国周边较那种所谓“将对方导弹击毁在上升段的”机载激光反导更具实战性,因此,如果哪天中国突然进行陆基激光反导试验,就如中段反导试验一样,我们将不会意外。<BR>    事实上,早在神州7号升空之前,由于国际局势非常诡秘,据国内一家公开发行的媒体报道,就有中国科学家公开暗示“如果发射过程中出现意外,将动用激光......”。<BR>    不过,如果着眼于在战术层面反击美国向台湾出售“爱国者3”,中国不妨考虑择机出手、直接“从技术层面”扯下“F-22隐形神话”的“底裤”,让美国 “隐身神话”也像“反导绝对优势”一样,在世人面前、特别是在美国盟友面前“裸奔”。我们认为,这应该有助于“万国联合护航舰队”的早日编成。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1445915>东方说了,要让美国隐身神话裸奔。。。。。难道实在不行,就要公布中国新一代战斗机的视频了吗<BR>希望md继续努力,逼迫中央</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1445943>如果着眼于在战术层面反击美国向台湾出售“爱国者3”,中国不妨考虑择机出手、直接“从技术层面”扯下“F-22隐形神话”的“底裤”,让美国 “隐身神话”也像“反导绝对优势”一样,在世人面前、特别是在美国盟友面前“裸奔”。我们认为,这应该有助于“万国联合护航舰队”的早日编成。<BR>呵呵,咱们这样做,魅帝不是要疯了?太不给他面子了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1446207>发表于 2010-2-1 01:09 PM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>东方的:<BR>事实上,早在神州7号升空之前,由于国际局势非常诡秘,据国内一家公开发行的媒体报道,就有中国科学家公开暗示“如果发射过程中出现意外,将动用激光......”。<BR><BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>frcmjd 发表于 2010-2-1 10:14 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1445863&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.4498007044845112 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>这句话是大牛</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1446507>东方最近几期明显在转向,就是突出了对于杀手锏的描述。东方可能是得到授意了,之前都是在战略层面忽悠MD,现在开始转变战术层面了<BR>估计是两个意思<BR>1 我们战略上的思路已经明晰,不需要再过多描述<BR>2 TG的特点是一旦开始讨论战术,那么就是要开搞了,无论是真搞还是假搞</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1449699>发表于 2010-2-3 09:04 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1449699>图以前有过,感觉猜测的成分还是大。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1449716>发表于 2010-2-3 09:10 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>图以前有过,感觉猜测的成分还是大。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-2-3 09:04 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1449699&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7862717792615369 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>嗯,蒙对了80%!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1449745>要从电视上看到四代机估计还要7、8年, 那时候应该批量装备了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1449989>发表于 2010-2-3 10:17 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>要从电视上看到四代机估计还要7、8年, 那时候应该批量装备了<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>萤火 发表于 2010-2-3 09:16 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1449745&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5513973883361261 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>四代机未必,现在国家在军事上越来越自信,相信这回丝带应该可以较快公开亮相。再说了,你这样掖着藏着,人家的卫星什么的就看不到了?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1450002><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1449745&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1699#</FONT></A> <I>萤火</I> </STRONG><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 用不了那么久吧?毛子的都出来了,应该也快了吧。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1450016>马上玫瑰要大清洗了。很多人要丢饭碗了。很多项目要裁了。全面收缩了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1450142>发表于 2010-2-3 11:43 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1450568><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 hu14 于 2010-2-3 03:38 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>记得07年还是08年,一篇官方媒体的八股文说陕西那边的一个企业说一架飞机首飞,说军委领导都到了,还说研制 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>公民007 发表于 2010-2-3 11:38 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1450128&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6927354588668231 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>就是轰六改,配套长剑用的,军委领导当然会到</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1450573>发表于 2010-2-3 03:07 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1450573><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 topgun8066 于 2010-2-3 03:09 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>就是轰六改<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>hu14 发表于 2010-2-3 03:04 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1450568&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.20717384515926013 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>胡大在么 问你个事儿 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=61498" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.xhclub.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=61498</FONT></A><BR>这问题我想了老长时间了 百思不得其解阿~~~~</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1450578>==<BR>本帖最后由 活捉SHE 于 2010-2-3 02:58 PM 编辑 <BR><BR>俄罗斯五代机技术上是否保守,不要看猴版,呵呵<BR>飞过包线再谈能力,不过个人确实小失望。<BR>我们的东西就在眼前了,时间上有过程但已经没跨度了,今年出现处理过的实机图也不是没可能,看大家运气和的固有的密级形势变化,出来后一个路数,会有人惊艳有人骂街,争论会维持很长一段时间,有个心理准备。<BR>==<BR>把活捉的话搬过来</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1451001>跳吧,跳吧,生命在于跳动。3P兄,最近那八股文可是言之凿凿的“世界先进水平”哦。<BR>你看看,这《反导》这一跳就确实出乎咱们的预料的哈,真是“放卫星”了!呵呵.....</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1451007><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1450568&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1709#</FONT></A> <I>hu14</I> </STRONG><BR><BR>我还以为是什么轰八呢,<BR><BR>轰六改也就算个改进型,不用13年吧?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1451008>发动机近来有不少好消息,4代我看行!<BR>毛5根据3P兄的推测,咱4代不一定试飞起点就比毛5的低哟,装备时间也说不定哟.........呵呵</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1451013>发表于 2010-2-3 06:35 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1451181>···活捉那话...又丑(骂街)又科幻(惊艳)?...&nbsp;&nbsp;难道之前楼上那个小面积尾翼,前面边条·鸭子 以及22中间机身还不像么?胡子更文字上的形容应该就是这样挖~~·</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1452211><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1451025&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1717#</FONT></A> <I>布衣青裳</I> </STRONG><BR>完全同意布衣兄的观点<BR>想想在同样的封建社会我们能领先白鬼那么多<BR>要是同样在工业社会<BR>嘿嘿<BR>希望看到白鬼再次被我们甩开400年!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<>“能考虑到DSI进气道,下面的附面层泄气流道,难能可贵了。”<BR>貌似进气道差不多就这样了</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 swiftosos 于 2010-2-6 01:28 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>只怕再过几天天朝版的丝带图就会被CG出来了<BR>引用最具代表性的一句话:<BR><FONT size=6><FONT color=red>“不鸣则已,一鸣惊人!!!!”</FONT></FONT></P>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1455537>说实话<BR>我还是满激动的<BR>有大大说过<BR>从气动上讲,至少强F22半个档次</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>四代机未必,现在国家在军事上越来越自信,相信这回丝带应该可以较快公开亮相。再说了,你这样掖着藏着, ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>逍遥蜀客 发表于 2010-2-3 10:17 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1449989&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.2623165547450183 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>不好说啊,DY听说因为泄密都开始处理人了呢。。。。。<BR>丝带估计保密程度更高吧<BR>至于防卫星,我瞎说下,晚上试飞能躲开大部分卫星侦察吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>不好说啊,DY听说因为泄密都开始处理人了呢。。。。。<BR>丝带估计保密程度更高吧<BR>至于防卫星,我瞎说下 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>wujimin 发表于 2010-2-6 12:01 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1456148&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>晚上试飞?????还是白天见卫星吧<BR>安全第一</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>只怕再过几天天朝版的丝带图就会被CG出来了<BR>引用最具代表性的一句话:<BR>“不鸣则已,一鸣惊人!!!!”<BR>...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>swiftosos 发表于 2010-2-5 10:56 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1455528&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 貌似暗箭发展来的,特别是主翼后和垂尾衔接处</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1456206><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1456148&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1729#</FONT></A> <I>wujimin</I> </STRONG><BR>DY是什么?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1456228>发表于 2010-2-6 12:41 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;wujimin <BR>DY是什么?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>逍遥蜀客 发表于 2010-2-6 12:28 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1456206&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.1662477786264248 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>大运啊,昨天CD有人问大运的事情,PLA版主说时候还未到,说某集团领导大嘴、杂志封面和还有人员拍照都涉及到了泄密的问题。。。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>貌似暗箭发展来的,特别是主翼后和垂尾衔接处<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>苦苦的探索 发表于 2010-2-6 12:27 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1456203&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.05021554897624314 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>谁发展谁要搞清楚........</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1456347>呵呵,老大误会了。只是说那张图跟据暗箭 来做的,而不是重四在设计上借鉴</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1456843>根据美俄研制四代的规律,我们的四代大量使用的是比较成熟的技术。<BR>另外,上面那个科幻的图有个最大的不可能就是座舱的设计,因为按这个设计,座舱里的飞行员看不见左下和右下的情况,这对飞行员的心理是极大的影响。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1456852>座舱里的飞行员看不见左下和右下的情况,<BR>刀大就是牛。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>呵呵,老大误会了。只是说那张图跟据暗箭 来做的,而不是重四在设计上借鉴<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>苦苦的探索 发表于 2010-2-6 02:00 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1456347&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3260717765983325 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>那张图其实是根据H4B-A3-2方案来的.......</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>座舱里的飞行员看不见左下和右下的情况,<BR>刀大就是牛。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ppplll 发表于 2010-2-6 10:00 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1456852&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.44645369949892055 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>三个字:F35<BR>四个字:EOTS<BR><BR>看看F35和毛五悲剧性的后向视野,现在不讲这个了,高科技补回来就是</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1456902>老胡你有点料就爆。别吞吞吐吐的。以为还是机密吗。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>老胡你有点料就爆。别吞吞吐吐的。以为还是机密吗。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ppplll 发表于 2010-2-6 10:30 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1456902&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.08960994513474368 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>我可没料,我只是说要照这个设计来做就一定得山寨EOTS</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>根据美俄研制四代的规律,我们的四代大量使用的是比较成熟的技术。<BR>另外,上面那个科幻的图有个最大的不可 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-2-6 09:51 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1456843&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8811475848478046 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>看到黄皮直升机 据说是z18 视角很好<BR>就像以前说的船底改掉了,其他的改进更大<BR>虽然是PS的,但是和真的应该很像 <BR>刀大能不能说说</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1457868>难道我们的丝带比这图的还要科幻?<BR>太期待了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1457888>发表于 2010-2-7 03:52 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>老胡你有点料就爆。别吞吞吐吐的。以为还是机密吗。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ppplll 发表于 2010-2-6 10:30 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1456902&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7363328872241097 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>呵呵,不是机密的话,你还要老胡爆什么?<BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1469422>菜鸟乱弹下<BR>美国的f14雄猫战斗机,正面大体上就是个正梯形,侧面看上去就是个拉长的s型,忽发奇想,能不能把雄猫来个修型,取消可变翼,改成边条三角翼,垂直尾翼外倾,气动布局基本不变,搞出一个机头正面正梯形的,带机腹弹仓和卡尔特进气道的安静雄猫?这样下勾的机头可以遮蔽机头与进气道之间的附面层通道,内倾的进气道外侧可以遮蔽进气道内嵌的格斗弹仓(类似f22那种),s进气道,是不是可以?<BR>不会画图,见笑了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>菜鸟乱弹下<BR>美国的f14雄猫战斗机,正面大体上就是个正梯形,侧面看上去就是个拉长的s型,忽发奇想,能不能 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>wn520cn 发表于 2010-2-15 11:03 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1469422&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7886871134781901 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>这相当于重新设计一架飞机。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1471407>cjdby里有人转贴了一个关于F22的,里面把F22吹得太能了。<BR>俺是军盲, 来这里纯粹是看热闹+长见识的。<BR>所以,把里面的文章也转过来,如果有见识的老大也请抽空分析分析,给兄弟我上上课,咱也学习学习。<BR>全文如下:<BR>本帖最后由 lym130 于 2010-2-13 10:46 编辑 <BR><BR>F-22,究竟是一架什么样的飞机?<BR><BR>告诉某些人 F-22,究竟是一架什么样的飞机?<BR><BR>最近网上流传着什么J10击落F22之类的“新闻”,让俺这个老资格的军迷只能莞尔吧。为什么F22这么受到关注?F22,或者说猛禽,究竟是一架什么样的飞机?<BR><BR>1.隐形,这不用说了吧,大家都知道,号称隐形战机的,并且,现在的F22是对雷达、可见光都有隐形性,后者是通过机体表面的变色薄膜实现的。在雷达方面,F22的雷达RCS至少是0.1平米以下,大约介于铅球和台球之间,而其他的战机大约都在10平米以上。<BR><BR>2.速度,F-22能飞多快,在不开加力燃烧器的情况下,F22可以以M1.58巡航30分钟,这不仅是因为F119发动机的巨大推力,更在于武器内置,降低的空气阻力,其他的战机,比如F15,号称可以飞到M2.65,实际是裸机飞行,挂载导弹后,能飞到1.5已经是谢天谢地了,还要开后燃器。所以,一般的飞机根本无法追上F22,而在打开后燃器时,F22的速度可以达到M2.4以上。<BR><BR>3.高度,F-22的实际升限是保密的,但是,美空军参谋长在国会作证的时候说,它比任何一种美军战机飞的都高。这实际上包括了火箭助推版的F15C,接近65000英尺(19800米),而按照最新的说法,F22能携带反导导弹在18300米高度以45度上升角和M2.0发射的话,这种爬升能力,只能说是恐怖了,那么,估算下升限至少在75000英尺高度,也就是22860米。在这个高度下,不仅能看到地球的曲率,更超出了所有战机的适应升限,距离而言,F15C也就18300米,而F15C的火箭助推版,也不过是19500米,更多的战机,如米格29,最多不过17900米。单发的F16则只有15000米。<BR><BR>4.智能,F-22可以认为是最智能的战机,在BLOCK30阶段,拥有全新的基于POWER技术和CELL处理器的COTS,商业机架多处理器的计算机,能够实时监控空中和地面情况,并且,美军正在开发虚拟技术,3架F22就可以虚拟组成一架中型预警机,显然的,这样的“预警机”比其他真实的预警机更具有生存力。多种传感器,包括将要加装的红外传感器、先进的AESA雷达,多种信息在计算机上实现集成、分析,让飞行员拥有最佳的态势感知能力。<BR><BR>5.灵活,F22可以携带aim120d中距空空导弹,在19800米高空猎杀15000米以下的那些“古代飞机”,在这种情况下,其有效动力射程可以超过50海里,大约90公里,而一架飞机即便能发现F22,要仰攻这样的超音速目标,导弹的动力射程会非常近,甚至中距弹只能当视距弹用。在这个意义上,F22可以如入无人之境,并携带多枚SDB小型精确滑翔炸弹,在20000米高度,M1.6的速度下,SDB至少可以滑翔100公里,大约55海里的样子。这样,一架F22就可以在一次任务中攻击多个目标节点。<BR><BR>6.机动性,F22在超音速下具有划时代的机动性,可以在15000米高度,以M1.6拉一个6G的稳定盘旋,而上一代战机只能在这个高度和速度下,拉到3G,并会损失速度,这意味着F22有选择交战还是逃离的能力,而其他战机没有。而在低速下,F22具有70度的可以攻角,在15海里空速下,机头依然可控,在0空速下,机头掉落可知。这种低速机动性也是划时代的。<BR><BR>7.生存,因为F22的速度、高度、机动性、隐身、良好的态势感知能力,使得其成为最难以对付的空中对手,并且F22很可能是世界上最坚固的战斗机,其机身中段为高强度钛合金整体精密铸造,异常强悍,拥有12000小时的使用寿命。在易损性实验中,少量的20MM机炮射击,没有导致明显结构损伤。相当于一架高飞的轻型装甲车。并且,F22在软件上,实现了自适应电传,可以在部分操作面受损的局面下,辅助飞行员稳定飞机。<BR><BR>8.展望。F22巨大机体有很大升级空间,不仅可以升级机载计算机系统、雷达、也为将来升级传感器,甚至激光武器留出了空间和电力,并且很快F22将具有使用自身机载雷达进行射频攻击的能力,以自身雷达压制敌方雷达的“科幻”能力。<BR><BR>美军对F22的期待是,随着技术的发展,不断的螺旋形升级下,F22可以在40年内不落后,这就是F22,美国维系世界秩序的重要手段!<BR><BR>原文连接:<A href="http://bbs.cjdby.net/thread-862425-1-1.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://bbs.cjdby.net/thread-862425-1-1.html</FONT></A><BR><BR>光看原文,俺这个军盲的想法就是,F22如此强大,都可以单跳UFO了。<BR>因为不懂,所以心情复杂。不知道是作者吹大了,还是他就是这么强。<BR>请各位大大们上上课,俺搬小凳子前排学习。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1471428>发表于 2010-2-16 09:11 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1471428>看来忽悠俩字的确给美帝的最好评价.联想早在五十年代我们把汉语拼音按照英语二十六字幕的前瞻性,谁知道电脑后时代的普及.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1471449><A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=16097&amp;extra=page%3D2%26amp%3Bfilter%3Ddigest" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.xhclub.net/forum/view ... p%3Bfilter%3Ddigest</FONT></A><BR>F—22尺寸:翼展13.56米;机身18.92米;机高5.00米;机翼面积 78.80米。 重 量:额定起飞重量27.216公斤。动力装置:两台普惠公司的F119-PW-100带加力的涡轮风扇发动机(2×13,900公斤力)。飞行特性:最高飞行速度1950公里/小时;近地最高飞行速度1480公里/小时;实际最大飞机高度18,000米;作战半径1,300~1,500公里;最大使用过载9.0。<BR>=====================<BR>按这个资料的介绍,F22的作战半径是1300-1500公里,如果转场是从关岛转到冲绳才1200公里,那需要什么副油箱?<BR>如果是从夏偎依转到冲绳也不过2500公里,应该还不是F22的转场航程。<BR>不管怎么说,带副油箱连带挂架肯定是不隐身的,扔了副油箱,如果挂架扔不了,还是不隐身。<BR>所以,F22要攻击中国大陆,按其隐身的作战半径计算,F22只能攻击中国大陆境内300公里的目标,而且是直线航程。因为从冲绳到大陆近1200公里。如果走的是斜距,攻击距离还要短也就100-200公里。这说的是往返车票,不是单程车票。 <BR>================================<BR>上面的网友可以参考我的一个老帖子,说明隐身战斗机的局限性。<BR>一句话,对于我们中国这样一个大国,隐身战斗机不是万能的,但是没有隐身机是万万不能的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1471546>发表于 2010-2-16 10:03 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1471546>关于22撤离冲绳与大国战略侦察能力 <BR>  F-22撤离冲绳有某超嗅到台海的不安气氛的缘故,也有美军在东亚收缩的大背景,对此不必做过度的解读,美走时放了几句话,走了还要来的。 <BR>  实际上还有这样的背景,从22编队离开兰利空军基地,就有一个代表大国的影子一直在跟着它……为此美在飞跃太平洋某区域的时候,被迫小心翼翼的回避了它和它们……所谓飞跃国际日期变更线的程序错误,闻之冷笑。 <BR>  而进驻冲绳之后,22颇不堪其扰,水面、水下、空中、空间、地面,从运八到特种机到内、外海上那些兴趣厚厚的测量船、甚至特殊使命的民船、海事、渔政……,不开玩笑的说──有时水下也会冒出天线来的。此期间我们的035艇又特意去日本海走了一趟,无害穿越了日本海峡,据说也与此有关…… <BR>  现代战争是体系的对抗,大国战略侦察能力是一种涵盖各个领域、从技术手段到情报系统、从体系到平台、从设备到人的综合能力。单独一两件兵器只是花絮。到底是那面镜子照跑了妖精,某超心理是有数的。22将会改动的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1471603>发表于 2010-2-16 10:28 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1471603> F-22是个忽悠的传说.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1473134>发表于 2010-2-18 09:49 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1473134>现正在学习刀版在2007年针对F22部署的老贴,里面有很多大牛人啊。<BR>受益很深啊。<BR>1764楼的swiftosos总结地也很精彩啊。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1473519>发表于 2010-2-18 03:48 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1473519><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 swiftosos 于 2010-2-18 03:50 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>现正在学习刀版在2007年针对F22部署的老贴,里面有很多大牛人啊。<BR>受益很深啊。<BR>1764楼的swiftosos总结地 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>stevezhouxj 发表于 2010-2-18 09:49 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1473134&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>那不是我的总结<BR>是我引用了网天“汉风1918发言集萃”里的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1474542>今年看来就是和美帝全面摊牌的节点.黑驴要死懒.结果我们先亮一下防守性质的陆基中段反导拦截.美帝假若再威逼的话,呀呀呸的.我们就亮出进攻性的丝带.我们手里有的是牌.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1474704>发表于 2010-2-19 01:15 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1474704>种种迹象显示,我们的丝带,呼之欲出.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1477902>发表于 2010-2-21 10:52 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1477902>最近丝带消息很多啊,是不是快曝了?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1478960><A href="http://www.cankaoa.com/Article/junshicankao/10343.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.cankaoa.com/Article/junshicankao/10343.html</FONT></A><BR><BR>歼10副总师:中国第四代战机已超过F-22!<BR><BR>发布时间:2010-2-21 13:40:08  <BR>东方网2月21日消息:澳大利亚空中力量杂志博客日前发表文章称,中国正在研发第四代战机,或可称为F-14,研发目标最终将达到甚至超越F-22的水平。<BR><BR><BR>  第四代战机(根据俄罗斯标准为第五代战机)具有达到“4S”标准的能力,即超机动性、超音速巡航、更大的空战视野及隐形能力。<BR><BR><BR>  第四代战机和改进的第三代战机与三代半飞机相比,具有压倒性的技术优势和巨大的差距。目前,世界已开始使用真正的第四代战机,即由美国研发的猛禽F-22、F-35和俄罗斯的T-50。<BR><BR><BR>  德国“军事技术”杂志分析了中国第四代战机的气动外形:除了V形全动态倾斜翼之外,还更换了垂直尾翼,同时增加了鸭翼,以增加传统结构水平,这些都是其独特的设计。全动态V形尾翼设计对增加飞机隐形特性非常有帮助。通过减小控制面和相应的控制机构,也减少了重量和空气阻力。尽管如果,这个设计还是要面对飞行控制系统的测试。<BR><BR><BR>  同时,此战机将安装电传飞行控制系统,以实现自动稳定控制。从其鸭式外形和进气腹可以清楚地看出,成都飞机工业公司F-10研发实验室所进行的整体设计,吸收并延伸了俄国米格-1.44-型验证机技术。<BR><BR><BR>  德国“军事技术”杂志还认为,它将装备有源电子扫描相控阵雷达,同样拥有多目标作战能力。另外,其主要对手将是F-22A。同时,英国“简氏防务周刊”报道说,中国的第四代战机机型显示了其理念,此战机与美国F-22A隐形战机有一些相似之处,例如内置武器、炸弹舱。<BR><BR><BR>  加拿大“汉和防务评论”也发表文章说,中国第四代重型战机--F-14是一种高性能、多用途、全天候战斗机。“汉和防务评论”也表示中国第四代战机将广泛使用隐形材料和技术,起飞和降落性能,这已极大地改进了其机动性,并推翻现有的战机概念。<BR><BR><BR>  性能将超越美国F-22<BR><BR><BR>  据俄罗斯“独立报”在中国第四代战机和美国F-22“猛禽”性能比较中报道说,俄罗斯军事专家莫洛托夫·纳瓦罗金博士认为,为与F-22作战,中国第四代战机没有模仿美国或俄罗斯的系统,而会重视性能以实现主要设计目标,并放弃其他多功能性以保证其能够达到F-22的水平。<BR><BR><BR>  同时,歼10副总设计师张继高在接受香港媒体“文汇报”采访时说,两者“很难比较”。他说,美国F-22是最先进的飞机,有些特性我们并不知道。美国F-22在最后研发成功时,开发了很多新的技术特性。<BR><BR><BR>  但是,<STRONG><FONT color=blue>张继高说从中国的经济力量到研究力量来看,可以说中国的第四代战机已超过F-22的水平,研发目标最终将达到甚至超越F-22的水平,我们必须看科学研究和进步的情况,通过飞行测试来验证,但也需要实战证明。</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR><BR>  美国国际战略研究所安德鲁·布鲁克斯说,没有理由不拿F-22的标准来衡量中国的新战机设计,因为技术是可以输出的。国际评估和战略研究中心,理查德·费舍尔也认为中国的F-22旨在技术水平。<BR><BR><BR>  同时,“汉和防务评论”说,中国第四代战机不会将F-22和F-35排除出去,它们是可能性研究的目标。但中国第四代战机有两大关键问题要解决,就是发动机和雷达。但是,新加坡“联合早报”报道,中国很快将完成第四代战机,这说明中大推力涡扇发动机和有源相控阵雷达两项主要技术,已取得重要进展。中国国庆时展示了其空中力量,空警-2000预警机使用了固态有源相控阵雷达。<BR><BR><BR>  据报道,提供专业杂志的相关研究报道直言:中国航空工业长期以来一直在进行飞机和隐形技术的研究和测试,结构设计,材料和涂料研究,并已取得很小心伪中医骗子功,完全可能达到第四代隐形战机的要求。<BR><BR><BR>  与西方的差距越来越小<BR><BR><BR>  中国第四代战机即将首飞,这表示中国已成为世界上进入第四代战机研发进程的前三个国家之一,在高端战机方面也有了发言权。目前,尽管中国的新一代战机和西方国家的相比仍有差距,但这个差距已逐渐缩小,并越来越小。<BR><BR><BR>  目前,中国不仅能开发生产一种机型,也能开发几个系列,形成完整的战机装备系统。从这次国庆阅兵可以看到,空警-2000,空警-200 和F-11,F-10,等等,都是由中国自主研发的。特别是中国的第四代战机和中国的200吨大型战机即将出现的突破,将弥补中国空军在这个领域的差距。<BR><BR><BR>  J-10研发成功使中国脱离了“模仿”,自主研发的时代将战机也带入了新的时代;第四代战机的首飞也标志着中国战机研发能力得到了跳跃式的发展,其成功的开发和服务将极大地影响中国空中能力,改变在空中装备方面长期落后于发达国家的局面</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1478976>发表于 2010-2-21 10:28 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1478976>依靠体系的力量,歼八也能与F22打一打。比如:依靠信息链发现目标后,远距离即发射能锁定弱反射目标的新式中距空空弹或者电磁脉冲弹,打完就跑就是。作为一个空中平台,歼八有着速度和高度的优势。我们的四代出来,肯定要吃定F22,毕竟那是上世纪八十年代的设计了,F22的气动没啥出色的,很常规而已。有些人就是拼命替美帝鼓吹。打起来我们对付F22的手段多得是,保管它死翘翘。高能激光炮一炮它就灰飞烟灭了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>汉唐子民 发表于 2010-2-23 10:16 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1481827&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.1490989806604917 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>一个航模就不用来回帖了吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1482078>但是,张继高说从中国的经济力量到研究力量来看,可以说中国的第四代战机已超过F-22的水平,研发目标最终将达到甚至超越F-22的水平,我们必须看科学研究和进步的情况,通过飞行测试来验证,但也需要实战证明。<BR>============================================<BR>这话说得给劲!后来者居上嘛</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1483211>在雷达方面,F22的雷达RCS至少是0.1平米以下,大约介于铅球和台球之间,而其他的战机大约都在10平米以上。<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;<FONT color=red>应该在0.3左右,没那么科幻,还台球呢,我呸!</FONT><BR><BR>F22可以以M1.58巡航30分钟&nbsp; &nbsp;<FONT color=red> 应该是十五分钟</FONT><BR><BR>而在打开后燃器时,F22的速度可以达到M2.4以上。<BR><FONT color=red>切不说2.4行不行,红外特征和航程呢?</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1483221>F22能携带反导导弹在18300米高度以45度上升角和M2.0发射<BR><BR><FONT color=red>天顶星科技,还反导导弹呢,扛得动么?挂哪里?背上?</FONT><BR><BR>F22可以携带aim120d中距空空导弹,在19800米高空猎杀15000米以下的那些“古代飞机”,在这种情况下,其有效动力射程可以超过50海里,大约90公里,而一架飞机即便能发现F22,要仰攻这样的超音速目标,导弹的动力射程会非常近,甚至中距弹只能当视距弹用。<FONT color=red>90公里?有效射程能有60就阿弥陀佛了,实战中中距弹命中率不到百分之二十。我们的飞机也能飞这么高,导弹比他的还好!</FONT><BR>3架F22就可以虚拟组成一架中型预警机,显然的,这样的“预警机”比其他真实的预警机更具有生存力。<FONT color=red>不过是一种未来的设想,而且能比得上专业预警机?可笑</FONT><BR>在易损性实验中,少量的20MM机炮射击,没有导致明显结构损伤。相当于一架高飞的轻型装甲车。<FONT color=red>超音速一个飞鸟都能撞死他,还炮弹呢,吹牛也得有个谱</FONT><BR>激光武器留出了空间和电力。<FONT color=red>美帝ABL都即将下马,装了几十吨化学燃料只够发两三炮。请问他装得下多少?知道强激光要多大电力?信口开河。再过四十年核聚变电站搞定再说吧!这方面我们和美帝技术最好。</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1483232>能够实时监控空中和地面情况。<BR><FONT color=red>吹牛不上税,飞行员得千眼千手才行。</FONT><BR>其机身中段为高强度钛合金整体精密铸造<BR><FONT color=red>钛合金整体铸造?我们的新飞豹用的钛合金绝对比他多。别忘了我国钛储量世界第一!</FONT><BR>很快F22将具有使用自身机载雷达进行射频攻击的能力<BR><FONT color=red>以前那个叫锐特的傻蛋也是这么吹嘘小日本的,看来美帝可以直接造高达系列了,还玩什么飞机!</FONT><BR><BR>俺不是很懂飞机专业,但是常听陈忠言讲课,此文实在乱七八糟。俺批驳的不太专业,有可能的话请陈忠言看看。当然,对于这种垃圾文章他可能认为不值一驳,太垃圾!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>F22能携带反导导弹在18300米高度以45度上升角和M2.0发射<BR><BR>天顶星科技,还反导导弹呢,扛得动么?挂哪里? ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>专批汉奸网特 发表于 2010-2-24 11:29 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1483221&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9493679365583414 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>说的好,顶一下</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>能够实时监控空中和地面情况。<BR>吹牛不上税,飞行员得千眼千手才行。<BR>其机身中段为高强度钛合金整体精密铸 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>专批汉奸网特 发表于 2010-2-24 11:36 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1483232&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.023037605327343446 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>呵呵,虽然比较小白,但这种吹嘘F22的傻文确实不靠谱。印像最深的是那个空中轻型装甲车,哈哈,还有这么吹的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1497687><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2010-3-5 08:57 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>等咱4代出来了,咱也得使劲吹!有没有这个心态是不同的——参见《反导》前后我不同的官方态度,嘿嘿。<BR>-----------------<BR>领导们都在看啥?<BR> 1.jpg <BR> 2.jpg </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1497845><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1497687&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1792#</FONT></A> <I>布衣青裳</I> </STRONG><BR>下面的图可以看出是电传操作系统。<BR>右手是侧杆,左手是油门。四代是侧杆,说明强调高机动性。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=86929" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>岳王战神</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1497870>发表于 2010-3-5 09:36 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1497870>太好了啊,看到这样爽的消息,太振奋了!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=97423" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>ggxxs</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1498152>发表于 2010-3-6 02:24 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>等咱4代出来了,咱也得使劲吹!有没有这个心态是不同的——参见《反导》前后我不同的官方态度,嘿嘿。<BR>--- ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>布衣青裳 发表于 2010-3-5 07:31 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1497687&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.045715400896399194 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>多谢布衣兄<BR>早就听说双侧杆,第一次见啊<BR>这是内部展览吗,里面好像有人很眼熟</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1498266>WW东森新闻军事专家将两方飞机做了一个比较。说WW的飞机还能支撑一下。<BR>认为J10没有经过实战。SU27SU30维护成本又高。说F16空格超好。经国号和IDF,还有幻影2000还可以较量较量。<BR>由于对飞机不太了解,对专家说的也不是很清楚。请大侠们解惑。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1498267>WW为了“唱衰大陆”,拔高自己,都是掩耳盗铃,自欺欺人的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1498297>发表于 2010-3-6 09:27 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>WW东森新闻军事专家将两方飞机做了一个比较。说WW的飞机还能支撑一下。<BR>认为J10没有经过实战。SU27SU30维护 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>goodstudy 发表于 2010-3-6 08:50 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1498266&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.10480348637650444 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>WW的飞官大部分一辈子也没有打过一枚导弹,现在的AIM120还存在关岛,实战再练打实弹?<BR>另外,F16性能不如歼十这个他们很清楚。而在四代面前WW的战斗机基本是靶子。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=45507" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>阿仿</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1498606><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1497687&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1792#</FONT></A> <I>布衣青裳</I> </STRONG><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 背景那个飞机是什么?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=106455" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>rock~4</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1498696>应该在618所吧,上次来演讲说了下四代航电,有实物图片,还有航电未来的发展方向,没用本子记着,呵呵</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;布衣青裳 <BR>下面的图可以看出是电传操作系统。<BR>右手是侧杆,左手是油门。四代是侧杆,说明强调高机动 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-3-5 09:16 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1497845&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.27512285587788193 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>内行看门道啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499209><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 刀口 于 2010-3-6 10:00 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>四代强调机动性这个问题,大部分人都没有想开,或者说是想不开,想不到,没有想到,不往那方面想,缺乏想象力!呵呵!<BR>四代强调格斗,说明什么?说明隐身的效果肯定好到中距和远距对阵的双方有可能都是隐身机的时候,只有靠格斗解决问题。<BR>这里折射出两个问题。<BR>一、出现我方发现不了敌方的隐身机的问题,比如F22.<BR>二、出现F22也发现不了我们的四代的问题。<BR>如果这样的情况发生了,说明什么?说明我们对自己的隐身效果很有信心嘛!<BR>侧杆的作用是什么?就是在战斗机在做高G的机动时为防止“黑视”要把身体向后仰,促进血液流通,如果杆在两腿中间,手就抓不到杆,出现“抓瞎”现象。<BR>侧杆就是解决这个问题的。<BR>问题是,这说明我们的四代非常优秀嘛。说明我们对未来的战场已经有很高的信心。如果中距就会被F22这样的隐身机打下来,你还格斗个P!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499211><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 swiftosos 于 2010-3-6 10:18 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR><A href="http://i3.6.cn/cvbnm/cb/0e/f5/27d12c6cba13dde39eafe40d65d81c35.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://i3.6.cn/cvbnm/cb/0e/f5/27d12c6cba13dde39eafe40d65d81c35.jpg</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff> 1.jpg <BR></FONT><A href="http://tu.6.cn/pic/show-new/id/6875769/" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://tu.6.cn/pic/show-new/id/6875769/</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff> 2.jpg <BR></FONT><A href="http://tu.6.cn/pic/show-new/id/6875774/" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://tu.6.cn/pic/show-new/id/6875774/</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff> 3.jpg <BR></FONT><A href="http://tu.6.cn/pic/show-new/id/6875777/" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://tu.6.cn/pic/show-new/id/6875777/</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff> 4.jpg </FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499251>大家能不能看到图?<BR>我第一次用TU6贴图<BR>我们这个2010年定型并转入生产的格斗弹比AIM-9X的样子要科幻一点呀<BR>有了这个玩意,在格斗阶段2架J7就可以PK1架F22了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499327>最喜欢看近身肉搏,那才叫空战,那才有王牌飞行员。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499400>我很关注PL-12的后续型号,CD说PL-12性能相当与AIM 120 C5什么时候PL-12后续型号能达到AIM 120 C7和AIM 120 D的水平呢?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499534>刀口看问题的角度就是和普通军迷不一样.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499538><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 topgun8066 于 2010-3-7 08:37 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>个人认为丝带间的战斗多会发生在夜间 f22上没有对空的eots格斗起来很吃亏阿~~~~<BR>但愿我们的4会安装对空的eots</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>四代强调机动性这个问题,大部分人都没有想开,或者说是想不开,想不到,没有想到,不往那方面想,缺乏想象 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-3-6 09:58 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1499209&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>为啥刀大的粗话看的这么舒服涅?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499706>说了粗话,道歉。<BR>言归正传,有关四代比F22先进其实主要是我们晚造了20多年,22现在又不造了,所以它的问题基本定格在那里,超越它的神话是没有问题的,至少它没有犯的错误我们也没有犯,回想当初美国军方选择了YF22而不是YF23,主要不是美军不强调隐身而是美军预见到将来的战场上敌方也可能出现隐身机,因为30年前我们(包括苏联和后来的俄罗斯)就开始做了计划,美国知道这个计划。<BR>这样简单的道理(为什么美军不选择YF23)被复杂了N多年,这个道理是什么呢?就是美军知道,未来的空战是隐身对隐身的空战。<BR>所以,我们许多朋友对四代强调机动性的迷惑是一种非专业的表现。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499719>未来的空战是隐身对隐身的空战。<BR>刀口兄,如果我们能提前发现爱抚22并能将其锁定击毁不是更好?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499742>龙文心已经漏出了模糊的丝带侧后视图.而且是飞行状态.<BR>高兴啊!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499751>有个疑问:AIM9X这样的格斗弹机动性如此之高,战斗机还需要发展高机动性吗?战斗机机动性再好能比格斗弹的机动性还好?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>龙文心已经漏出了模糊的丝带侧后视图.而且是飞行状态.<BR>高兴啊!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>jiajiab 发表于 2010-3-7 11:28 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1499742&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8197223545127252 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>朋友方便给个贴图么</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>未来的空战是隐身对隐身的空战。<BR>刀口兄,如果我们能提前发现爱抚22并能将其锁定击毁不是更好?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>爱人在北回归线 发表于 2010-3-7 11:01 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1499719&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.745701589179169 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>随着干扰与反干扰技术的进步,许多不确定因素始终存在,单独强调隐身或者单独强调机动性会给自己设置隐患,两样都强调虽然困难但是却是一条康庄大道,否则就会走进死胡同,就是选择50%的生存率。F117就是前车之鉴。<BR>电子技术的进步现在太恐怖了,对敌人和我们都一样。<BR>另外,我们的对手不仅仅是美军,还有棒子、小鬼子、猴子、三锅,所以武器在设计时越全面越好。<BR>当然某一阶段我们可以做到提前发现,但是很快就会有变化,这个我们是有经验的,比如早先对付U2,击落U2第二架后美军升级电子干扰系统,你就打不上了,我们再想办法,接着又能打上,如此反复。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>swiftosos 发表于 2010-3-6 09:58 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1499211&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.39670747407723833 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>发射后截获目标这个能力实现在格斗弹上是很可怕的- -&nbsp;&nbsp;导弹先发射然后截获目标~放到格斗阶段就是很恐怖的进步,可以在很大程度上弥补弹舱发射的缺点。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499835>看看,看看,都是刀版解读的哟,俺是啥都不知道。<BR>--------------------<BR>背景机是轰6.<BR>格斗弹的机动性是超过战斗机,但是仍然需要通过战斗机的高机动性来解决复杂的“空战占位”问题,格斗弹是受到“不可逃逸区”限制的,战斗机各种“脱锁机动动作”也可以降低命中率,最重要的战斗机都开始普及复杂精密的“电子对抗和干扰”措施了。<BR>格斗弹过去对付不了8G以上的机动目标,现在据说最好的已经可以达到对付10~12G的机动目标了。<BR>格斗弹采用焦平面后,对付红外干扰弹的能力大大提高,但是先进战斗机也开发“定向能干扰”的手段来对付“红外焦平面成像”的格斗弹了,这个能力我国也早已经成熟具备了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499865>我国的PL—5乙.PL-8.PL-9,都实现了这个能力,呵呵。<BR>美国佬的F-22受到弹仓的影响,所以必须发展“双向数据链”来满足,结果又是一大吹,(当然“双向数据链”还有额外的好处,这个可以移植,也是方向),但是首先是为了解决f-22弹仓的屏蔽因素的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>龙文心已经漏出了模糊的丝带侧后视图.而且是飞行状态.<BR>高兴啊!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>jiajiab 发表于 2010-3-7 11:28 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1499742&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.174203837132072 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>......信谁不好你信他......航模没见过么</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>我国的PL—5乙.PL-8.PL-9,都实现了这个能力,呵呵。<BR>美国佬的F-22受到弹仓的影响,所以必须发展“双向数据 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>布衣青裳 发表于 2010-3-7 01:10 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1499865&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.03790869571070221 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>谢谢布衣兄的科普!!!<BR>原来我们的弹早就有了双向数据链!!!<BR>这样用J7,J8当导弹的发射装置,用KJ2000来做引导是可行的!!!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1499974>想看四代机纳米图的,到美言注册吧,据说半年后广大军迷能看到大图。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>想看四代机纳米图的,到美言注册吧,据说半年后广大军迷能看到大图。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>bj_ewen 发表于 2010-3-7 02:47 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1499974&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.735287783744973 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>那张图在超大就看得到........航模而已</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1500354><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2010-3-7 07:06 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>“发射后锁定”不能单纯理解成“双向数据链”,红外头在截获范围内机载雷达给与初始目标位置后,就可以发射后再锁定,与数据链没有关系。这里牵涉到一个初始惯导数据的问题,也就是战斗机必须根据自己的惯导定位输入到格斗弹中,然后激活导弹中的惯导部件,格斗弹根据这个数据建立自己的坐标,然后自主制导。拥有“双向数据链”的好处,是格斗弹飞向目标途中,可以根据载机的数据进行弹道修正,提高命中率。<BR>预警机制导空空弹,这个技术还在发展中,牵涉到一个初始惯导数据的转换问题——甲机发射的甲弹,必须把甲机的惯导空间坐标置换成乙机的惯导空间坐标,甲弹才能接受乙机的制导,否则是不行的,这里“双向数据链”就必须是其中一个因素了。<BR>美国的响尾蛇导弹,不是没有“发射后锁定”能力,而是受到《弹仓》不利屏蔽的影响,必须要靠“双向数据链”来克服,这是不同的地方。<BR>“双向数据链”我国已经发展成熟,很快就可以看到实弹装备。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1500696>布衣兄科普的好!<BR>82年英军的海鹞没有相控阵雷达,在制导AIM9L响尾蛇导弹上主要靠机头的指向能力获得24:0的战绩,现在的战斗机特别是四代的有源相控阵雷达再配合头瞄,完全具备双数据链发射能力。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>“发射后锁定”不能单纯理解成“双向数据链”,红外头在截获范围内机载雷达给与初始目标位置后,就可以发射 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>布衣青裳 发表于 2010-3-7 07:03 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1500354&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.021171749672394713 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>布衣大<BR>那具体是怎么实现的呢?是不是通过乙机锁定甲机来实现的呢?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1500844>这需要非常复杂的时空坐标同步和转换,强大的计算机硬件软件能力,和具备双向数据链是必备。<BR>甲弹本身具有一个时空坐标系,乙机(预警机或友机)锁定丙机(敌机)有一个时空坐标系。甲弹发射后,甲弹的坐标系通过双向数据链发送给乙机,这时候乙机中就存在有两个不同的坐标系,甲弹坐标系和乙机锁定丙机的坐标系,两者达到虚拟的时空同步后,乙机通过不断的对比和转换2个坐标系换算成甲弹坐标系相对于丙机的位置信息,产生出对甲弹的正确引导信号,然后发送给甲弹,同时乙机不断的跟踪甲弹和丙机,通过双向数据链来修正甲弹弹道,在甲弹达到自身能锁定丙机的条件后,甲弹就可完全进行自主引导了。<BR>从这里可以看出来<BR>1.双向数据链必须是高速和宽带的<BR>2.预警机上必须要有强大的计算能力和复杂专用的软件功能,空空弹的攻击时间是非常短暂的。<BR>3.空空弹和预警机必须要有极高的虚拟的精确时空同步能力<BR>4.对雷达的能力要求高,相控阵才能满足要求。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1500861>发表于 2010-3-8 01:58 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1500861><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 topgun8066 于 2010-3-8 02:04 AM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>这需要非常复杂的时空坐标同步和转换,强大的计算机硬件软件能力,和具备双向数据链是必备。<BR>甲弹本身具有 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>布衣青裳 发表于 2010-3-8 01:16 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1500844&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.43547089555920254 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>哦原来这样 谢谢布衣大哥~</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1500864>发表于 2010-3-8 02:15 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1500864><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 复仇角斗士 于 2010-3-8 02:37 AM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>龙文心已经漏出了模糊的丝带侧后视图.而且是飞行状态.<BR>高兴啊!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>jiajiab 发表于 2010-3-7 11:28 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1499742&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3943400502084938 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>..能发到坛子上么···他们那个帖子要权限 ....不过我觉得可能不会真的··目前飞机在组装</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1500874>发表于 2010-3-8 02:42 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1500874>据陈忠言说,我们四代的空战能力超过F22,其它性能各有千秋,总体差不多。<BR>另外,对付湾湾的F16,我们歼八二F就能尽情蹂躏之,这也是我军空战能力第三强的了。前两位是歼十和歼十一B。买来的苏三十远远搞不过歼十。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1500978>发表于 2010-3-8 10:35 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1500978>我们06年公布歼十,这是值得大家仔细品味的。<BR>1998年,歼十就结束研制工作了,开始试飞,2002年装备部队,每年生产50-100之间的某个数字。1998-2006,能做出点啥呢?呵呵</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1500982>发表于 2010-3-8 10:37 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1500982>所以,我国空军当之无愧坐定亚洲扛把子世界榜眼,美帝在亚洲搞不过我们滴。<BR>今上太河蟹,不然什么三锅、湾湾,轻易剿灭之。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1501076>发表于 2010-3-8 11:36 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501076>青裳真不错。连讲座都这么帅。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1501103>发表于 2010-3-8 12:06 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501103>呵呵,兄弟们的抬爱咱可担不起,都是从刀版那听课和翻杂志学来的,大家互相交流吧。<BR>-----------------------<BR>其实这个技术也没有啥神秘的,军舰上发射导弹,然后由飞机提供远程制导都是常规手段了,不过是在空空弹上应用要求高罢了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501108>4代机这个技术必须有,小编队作战,一机开雷达,其它机就可以实施“静默攻击”了,这样更加保障了杀伤力。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501119>对于我们来说,也有别的办法。我们建立了陆海空天一体系统,我们四代完全不开机,也可以依托卫星、预警机、超地平线雷达的。真搞起来,还可以先发射EMP弹,摧毁美帝四代机的电子装备。反正中国人从来不缺乏才智,办法有的是。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;大烧饼 <BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 哈哈哈哈,这个倒是真的说错了,或许是40呢。我梦见50-100是03年来洲际导弹的年产量 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>专批汉奸网特 发表于 2010-3-8 01:13 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501222&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6844547555812417 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>一般来说按运载火箭产量的三倍估计洲际导弹的实际产量没啥问题~当然这只针对正常国家来看~~毛子那个饿的快死的国家不算正常。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>据陈忠言说,我们四代的空战能力超过F22,其它性能各有千秋,总体差不多。<BR>另外,对付湾湾的F16,我们歼八 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>专批汉奸网特 发表于 2010-3-8 02:42 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1500874&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.09990358023489171 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>空战斗超过F22是必然的,我们的四代生来就是为空战的,一如歼十生来为了守护我们的天空,对地、电子战这些杂七杂八的活豹子做起来得心应手。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501240><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501228&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1847#</FONT></A> <I>沧漠</I> </STRONG><BR><BR>我们许多运载火箭是库存的DF3改改就行,几百枚呢。<BR>新造的那另算。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>如果您参加了J10表彰大会,就知道您说的数量差太多了......<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>大烧饼 发表于 2010-3-8 01:18 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501237&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.26359085398504783 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>小十的产量到底是多少,这还真难说,歼七退役的空档全部要歼十来填,数量上还真少不了。<BR>当然这只是纯粹的推测。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501247>布衣“双向数据链”方面的解读,耳目一新。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>我们06年公布歼十,这是值得大家仔细品味的。<BR>1998年,歼十就结束研制工作了,开始试飞,2002年装备部队, ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>专批汉奸网特 发表于 2010-3-8 10:35 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1500978&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7626529313664401 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>歼十每年没有50-100那么多</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;大烧饼&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 哈哈哈哈,这个倒是真的说错了,或许是40呢。我梦见50-100是03年来洲际导弹的年产量 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>专批汉奸网特 发表于 2010-3-8 01:13 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501222&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.23452151335947663 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><STRONG>或许是40呢<FONT color=red></FONT></STRONG></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501269>据我意淫,设计战时产能是XXX架的,距离XXXX级别也不远。平时只是零头而已,太多了浪费银子。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>500架?太多了......除2都多!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>大烧饼 发表于 2010-3-8 01:33 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501288&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.028816509209608432 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>很多?歼十是用来填歼七的坑,你除以二了,剩下的空谁填?FC1我们又不会多买。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501312>看需要,需要的话整上千架都行。未来还有歼十C,能空战F35的型号。<BR>另外,俺还梦见06年两型四代机的主要结构件都生产完毕,于是曝光歼十。<BR>更梦见四代机肯定会早于装备2015的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501345><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 沧漠 于 2010-3-8 01:53 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>具体不能细说,事实胜于雄辩,2015年咱们看J10到底装备了多少架!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>大烧饼 发表于 2010-3-8 01:43 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501328&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.48424815583712777 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>反正不会少,不然装备歼七的部队 都要取消编制么?<BR>另外就算到2015年 我们也不可能知道歼十的具体数量,这个应该仍然是保密的。<BR>另外我耍了一个小小的文字游戏“歼十的总产量500架”</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501390>个人希望歼十产量一万架,四代五千架,哈哈哈哈。大家都去当飞行员吧。<BR>洲际导弹十万枚。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501422>我琢磨着我们怎么也不只美帝说的那么点家底。怎么可能才20多枚呢?真希望有美俄那么多,但是不可能啊。个人小小幻想一下,抛砖引玉,大家都来猜猜看?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501426><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501345&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1865#</FONT></A> <I>沧漠</I> </STRONG><BR><BR>歼十能产量500?来源可靠么?真是那么多就放心了。个人希望过千架,有点意淫了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>看需要,需要的话整上千架都行。未来还有歼十C,能空战F35的型号。<BR>另外,俺还梦见06年两型四代机的主要结 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>专批汉奸网特 发表于 2010-3-8 01:36 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501312&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.682902881276931 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>专批 ,俺梦见的比你更多,关于06年的梦,哈哈</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>很多?歼十是用来填歼七的坑,你除以二了,剩下的空谁填?FC1我们又不会多买。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>沧漠 发表于 2010-3-8 01:36 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501311&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7909076320971237 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>不用全填完小七小五的坑,歼十跟二代机的作战效率也不一样,不用一比一的换,同时用歼十干小强的活有点浪费,所以小强还是有存在的必要的,250架也太BKC了吧,500架应该有吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;沧漠 <BR><BR>歼十能产量500?来源可靠么?真是那么多就放心了。个人希望过千架,有点意淫了。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>专批汉奸网特 发表于 2010-3-8 02:26 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501426&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.44524399204760606 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>个人想法,纯粹推测,现在至少还有不少歼七等着换,歼十上500算是情理之中。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>不用全填完小七小五的坑,歼十跟二代机的作战效率也不一样,不用一比一的换,同时用歼十干小强的活有点浪 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>rock~4 发表于 2010-3-8 06:18 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1501864&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7703704044932385 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>小强的活有豹子和新的教练机可以替代,按陈忠言说的话分析歼教9是个好东西,当年的超七在歼教九身上复活了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501910>陈忠言说的,我记得是山鹰改呢,性能优异,可以让歼教九和L15歇菜。山鹰改也可以空战和对地支援。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501959>JL9是用来填空档的,空军心仪的是JL15,将来教练机不可能用那么多型号。洪都现在是想国内外通吃,玩K8玩出经验了,也玩出甜头了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1501961>据说,山鹰改就是歼教九</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1502301>估计快了,胡子更前天说样机出来了·今年要飞.. 其实大概外形没啥大的期待了..大家都领教了升力体边条鸭子的那个想象图..美言网龙文心也透露了图片·图虽假,物却真,和想象图如出一辙..</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1502302>期待哪天出清楚点的图..可以看看究竟有多科幻..</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1522753>气动肯定惊艳,毕竟是二十一世纪的设计了,F22外形还是上世纪八十年代的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1522766>发表于 2010-3-20 10:05 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1522766><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 专批汉奸网特 于 2010-3-20 10:06 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>四代机或许有两种。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>但愿看见那架J**Y以后不会很多人痛哭流涕,特别是HKC<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>wpcjs001 发表于 2010-3-20 11:03 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1522867&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>那么丑?给个说法吧,咱想打个预防针心里有个底</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1523923><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 专批汉奸网特 于 2010-3-21 05:03 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1523394&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1888#</FONT></A> <I>wpcjs001</I> </STRONG><BR><BR>四代啥样俺可不敢说。不过很漂亮,很养眼。你不是也知道一些吗?为什么要说谎?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>但愿看见那架J**Y以后不会很多人痛哭流涕,特别是HKC<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>wpcjs001 发表于 2010-3-20 11:03 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1522867&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3027980599132193 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 神棍你好,神棍滚蛋。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1524891>忠言你想爆料就大大方方包料。顶着个马甲干什么。男子汉大丈夫做事光明磊落。为畏缩缩小家子气。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>忠言你想爆料就大大方方包料。顶着个马甲干什么。男子汉大丈夫做事光明磊落。为畏缩缩小家子气。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ppplll 发表于 2010-3-22 09:54 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1524891&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8694686115148785 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 专批 是 老陈? 欢迎啊, 批马甲又何妨<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;大家都是老朋友了 , 求同存异就行</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>最喜欢看近身肉搏,那才叫空战,那才有王牌飞行员。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>wolf-zhang 发表于 2010-3-6 11:12 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1499327&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.10480005289765742 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 这样是好看了,但飞行员的安全系数就低了,培养一个优秀的飞行员不容易呀,有可能比一架飞机的费用还高。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>专批 是 老陈? 欢迎啊, 批马甲又何妨<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;大家都是老朋友了 , 求同存异就行<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>正义自有力量 发表于 2010-3-22 10:17 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1524924&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.2056281101677675 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>哈哈,专批可不是老陈</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1524988><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1524975&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1907#</FONT></A> <I>专批汉奸网特</I>&nbsp;</STRONG><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 我的意思是现在丝带挂的是J-10改的马甲。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1524996>发表于 2010-3-22 10:57 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1524996>当然不是。那个说法纯属忽悠。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=29725" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>风动心静</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1524998>发表于 2010-3-22 10:58 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1524998>形势逼人的话,很多东西就要发出来了。老M真的要举起屠刀,可能落下的时候砸到自己的脚。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1524999><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ginandghost 于 2010-3-22 11:03 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>江大和SHE都说过我们现在看到带DSI的J10不是J10B,有说法是j10B为J10改的老妈。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=105731" target=_blank><FONT color=#800080>专批汉奸网特</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1525012>发表于 2010-3-22 11:03 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1525012>等着瞧好就是了!四代肯定让大家满意-小白除外,成家立业的时间也会让大家惊喜!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1525042>发表于 2010-3-22 11:24 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1525042>惊喜?15年之前服役?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1525045>发表于 2010-3-22 11:25 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1525045>丝带年中才首飞,试飞可要4,5年啊。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1525113>发表于 2010-3-22 11:49 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1525113>另一四代有他用??? 迷惑中,哪个老大给科普下。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=71904" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>绝对</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1525215>发表于 2010-3-22 02:53 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1525215>2015年四代应该基本定型,而且如果乐观的话应该小批量装备,所以平可夫2020年试飞简直是胡扯,重四没有任何问题,林老板可是打包票的,现在应该把目光放在中四和海中四(呵呵),说白了就是SF!据说SF任务太重啦,中秋、海中四、暗箭改型、BS今年必须要见分晓,这也是死命令</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1525218>歼十B另有其人,据杨伟说打F22有点紧(国土防空体系内另说),打F35有一拼,主要指空中优势,对地攻击稍弱</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1525252>只见楼梯响,不见人下来.<BR>啥时候能出来啊...?<BR>现在谣言漫天飞, 只有真出来了才能辟谣.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1535288>最新型《综合核心处理机》研制成功!<BR>近日,我国中航工业计算所,经过努力攻关“成功突破了某航电系统关键技术,完成了综合核心处理机软硬件平台调试工作,该样机的成功研制为加快新型号的研制打下了坚实的基础。”——《航空报》<BR><IMG alt="" src="http://calf.cn/attachments/day_100326/20100326_219dd97abbfb18ffe5d55Q82zvwSJ80a.jpg"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1535583>网上那个是不是10B,忠言,SHE,江山这些老大都是有说法的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1535762>有关四代的消息将会较长期的被封锁,这与目前的国际形势有很大的关系。<BR>先前的中国威胁论不过是西方的虚张声势,骨子里还是瞧我们不上眼。60年大庆,海空军和二炮领导奉旨亮宝给西方和周边以极大的震撼,现在看它们像烧红的烙铁烫了屁股一样全都跳了起来!日本、韩国、越南、印度都相继推出了自己的对抗计划,逼迫它们提前采购,这也给我们有针对性的改进我们的先进四代武器了一个机会。<BR>总的看来,周边用二流隐身战斗机F35和赶进度凑合出来的毛五对抗我们的四代绝对是它们的失误,因为我们的四代是瞄准F22的。<BR>我们可以等,俗话说“出水才见两腿泥”!好戏在后面。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1536104>总的看来,周边用二流隐身战斗机F35和赶进度凑合出来的毛五对抗我们的四代绝对是它们的失误,因为我们的四代是瞄准F22的。<BR>呵呵,周边猴子们这么不灵光?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1536125>"有关四代的消息将会较长期的被封锁"<BR><BR><FONT color=blue>只是消息被封锁而已,不是项目推迟!!军迷自己偷着乐就可以!!</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1536647>周边猴子们这么不灵光, 看看三锅有啥喜感的爆料,也让我们开心的笑笑</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1537633>把周围几个小国拖进军备竞赛的无底洞</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>嗬嗬,不是10B是什么?如果连这个都不知道,还敢说自己是老大?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>大烧饼 发表于 2010-3-26 09:49 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1535604&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8024336705991639 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>兄台不着急,10B暂时先放一下。<BR>毕竟试飞的、酷似10号的,未必就一定是B啊。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>这是一个相当令俺们沮丧的消息....<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>eve2001 发表于 2010-3-27 12:16 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1535766&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.18860290247284428 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>无所谓了。<BR>你我及大家都想知道,但实质是:我们的进步。<BR>如果进步了,就算我真不知道,也欣慰。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>"有关四代的消息将会较长期的被封锁"<BR><BR>只是消息被封锁而已,不是项目推迟!!军迷自己偷着乐就可以!!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>aliu3 发表于 2010-3-27 09:49 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1536125&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5968832355737529 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>一石即中,点的好</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1548212><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 7145871 于 2010-4-3 02:36 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>刀大,你就介绍一下,现在的丝带的进气道是不是很难看?怪异和难看是两回事·····比如没人觉得歼十的进气道好看吧?我觉得枭龙的进气道挺好看的。传说中的青蛙眼睛是指进气道前方的大包吧?不懂····刀大能泄就泄点····</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1548357>为什么要说“没人觉得歼十好看”?我就觉得歼十是空气动力学和美学的嵮峰之作.不要代表大家好不?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1548598><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1548357&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1943#</FONT></A> <I>yiyiyi</I>&nbsp;</STRONG><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 好吧。不代表大家。但是我相信觉得那个进气道好看的是少数。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>这是一个相当令俺们沮丧的消息....<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>eve2001 发表于 2010-3-27 12:16 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1535766&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7029589756036243 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>兄弟这说法很有趣。<BR>也许WTJD也是这心理哦</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>把周围几个小国拖进军备竞赛的无底洞<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>团座 发表于 2010-3-27 11:37 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1537633&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3577686845974152 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>从目前的情况来看,周边国家所谓的竞赛,无非就是买武器。<BR>我们呢?是自己研制。<BR>呵呵</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀大,你就介绍一下,现在的丝带的进气道是不是很难看?怪异和难看是两回事·····比如没人觉得歼十的进 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>7145871 发表于 2010-4-3 02:29 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1548212&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.011303090861324527 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>好看难看以什么为标准?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>兄弟这说法很有趣。<BR>也许WTJD也是这心理哦<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>星际浪子 发表于 2010-4-3 12:33 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1548608&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.013209385271495011 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>你这说法也同样有趣。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1551656>刀大,听说CF的现在正紧锣密鼓搞 7 1 8 工 程,工 人每星期上六天班,说是为了心肺机,难道是 丝带?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1566972><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2010-4-12 09:47 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>视察机载相控阵雷达——以前有过型号流传,现在官媒证实型号成熟..........<BR>-------------------------------------------<BR>总装备部科技委主任李安东考察中航工业雷电院<BR><IMG alt="" src="http://www.hangkongnet.com/uploadfile/2010/0412/20100412053955270.jpg"><BR>2010年4月6日,一个春意浓浓的日子,总装备部科技委主任兼副部长李安东到无锡考察中航工业雷电院。总装备部科技委副主任丛日刚、中航工业集团公司副总经理张新国陪同考察。&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;李安东参观了雷电院科研生产现场和产品陈列室;听取了雷电院院长张昆辉所作的工作汇报;就重点型号的研制及武器装备的发展同中航工业集团总部及成员单位领导进行了亲切座谈。<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 李安东充分肯定到:经过这么多年的改革和建设,雷电院的基础设施有了很大的提升,可谓面貌一新;通过这么多年的整合与发展,雷电院在型号研制方面做了大量卓有成效的工作,尤其是在<FONT color=red>某新型雷达</FONT>的研制上下了很大的功夫;雷电院人紧紧瞄准世界先进水平,主动出击、敢闯敢拼、勇攀高峰,通过艰苦努力突破了发展瓶颈,<FONT color=red>为航空事业发展作出了突出贡献</FONT>。<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 李安东强调,当今世界发展迅速,机遇难得,作为航空企业,一定要牢记使命、抓住机遇、攻坚克难、开拓创新,力争把企业做大做强。他希望雷电院强化质量管理,抓好过程控制,做好服务保障工作;希望雷电院强化知识管理及人才队伍建设,不断提升核心竞争力,用技术一流、质量一流的产品装备部队,为祖国的航空事业建功立业。<BR><A href="http://www.hangkongnet.com/2010/0412/8252.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.hangkongnet.com/2010/0412/8252.html</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1567182>有关四代,借用一句名言:谁笑到最后,谁笑的最好!<BR>布衣兄转的文章里,最核心的一句应该是“通过艰苦努力突破了发展瓶颈,”这句话量化了进度,描绘了实质进展。<BR>另外,文章侧面提到了雷电院的研发和生产模式,和性质。这个也很重要,把国家利益、集团利益个人利益捆绑在一起,发展的滋滋有味。<BR>文章还提到了该院的基础设施“有了很大的提升,可谓面貌一新”可见国家投入之大。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=88157" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>霸王丸</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1567250>发表于 2010-4-13 01:12 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1567250>回刀大,可是我们的四代出来,即使是最好的,米蒂下一代又比我们先出来,我们不是一样落后?在米蒂身后疲于奔命?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1567267>发表于 2010-4-13 01:33 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1567267><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 karllo8169a 于 2010-4-13 01:40 AM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回刀大,可是我们的四代出来,即使是最好的,米蒂下一代又比我们先出来,我们不是一样落后?在米蒂身后...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>霸王丸 发表于 2010-4-13 01:12 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1567250&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.49622634029290324 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>只有还在追赶,才有机会超越<BR>被人追着,赶着屁股的滋味也是不好受的。。。。既不能歇口气,又不能慢,尤其被个差得老远的人一直追到脚后跟时,还是疲于向前赶。。。而追的人还后劲十足。。。就怕老眼昏花看错道时被人抄了近路。。。也要急 火攻心的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1567269>一切尽在掌握中吗?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1567270>发表于 2010-4-13 01:39 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回刀大,可是我们的四代出来,即使是最好的,米蒂下一代又比我们先出来,我们不是一样落后?在米蒂身后疲于 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>霸王丸 发表于 2010-4-13 01:12 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1567250&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.12864757703538532 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>你以为躺在原地不动,米蒂就会自己过来,落到你后面。。。天真</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1569506>发表于 2010-4-14 06:07 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1569506><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1567250&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1954#</FONT></A> <I>霸王丸</I>&nbsp;</STRONG><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 目标就是世界领先的 紧追美帝的过程中 取得领先三哥 毛子 棒子 鬼子 老欧洲 南海猴子 就像经济发展一样 可以有</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1569730>发表于 2010-4-14 09:44 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回刀大,可是我们的四代出来,即使是最好的,米蒂下一代又比我们先出来,我们不是一样落后?在米蒂身后疲于 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>霸 王 丸 发表于 2010-4-13 01:12 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1567250&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.150138772849972 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>这个没有代差就够了。<BR>因为我们的人和他们的人有代差,<BR>所以武器比他们差一代,<BR>就是个平手。<BR>具体参见朝鲜越南战争。<BR>如果我们的武器和他们没有代差。<BR>嘿嘿……</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1569877>我们在70年代末和80年代就已经开始预研高高超音速飞机和天地往返系统,并进入863计划进行重点专项研发,新一代战机的研制我们已经启动了,这个老鸟都是知道的,有案可查。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1570254>丝带没出来................<BR>在探知老毛子.中国都在发展丝带,很快就能拿出实机后,美国又和《反导》事件的反应一样,拿出了6代机计划,和所谓的空天飞机试验来维护脸面,管用么?<BR>结果中国又是发展了几十年的东西了,那啥轰6带的《神龙》不就是实机的证明么?嘿嘿,又一个走出实验室的玩意,展示一下,免得人家老说中国的高科技都在实验室里,小白兔也有俩大板牙!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1570335>现在做媒体的真是没脸没皮的赚点击率!<BR>把老六带神龙的图一发,说中国正在发展第六代战斗机,这个新闻要比这个美国六代早好几年!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1573231>说实话不相信!搞这么多种类的四代机干嘛?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1573243>初次登坛,又是外行,请各位老大多指教,有不对之处,请多包涵!<BR>不知道现在的无人机是不是能通过大预指挥,如果能用大预指引无人攻击机,或者J10带几只无人机对抗F22,四代还有多大的优势啊?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1573275>当大汉风活捉好像都说过的,有钱真是好事啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1573682>真的假的先记着好了,总有验明正身那天<BR>借用赵本山的话,高不高你点点试试呗,关键人家佬爷也姓毕。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1574470><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 2007jxsd 于 2010-4-16 03:09 PM 编辑 </I><BR>一下上3个型号四代机,天啊,不差钱真牛XXX</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1575249>发动机,雷达电子设备,材料,气动吹风....这些基础一完成,搞几个型号出来又有啥问题?<BR>当然最终装备型号咱相信只有一个,集中优势兵力打歼灭战嘛,丝带是一个需要动员全国大协作的事情,是要考虑效益的。将来要满足不同的需求,多搞点改型嘛。预研基础搞好了,要拿出装备是只要有需要,盲目铺摊子,早就不是咱们的战略了。<BR>饭要一口口吃,咱们经济实力再强大,也不能一步跑入共产主义吧........................</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1575350>个人认为四代一定要出几个版本。一个f22不能概括全部&nbsp;&nbsp;的战术需求,何况我们还没有MD的技术工艺水平。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1575364>多出几个型 号,还照顾到全国航空产业上层次的问题</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1576299><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 白衣背嵬 于 2010-4-17 03:14 PM 编辑 </I><BR>沈飞要整三种四代机?<BR>——可别是<STRONG> 歼8 XXX 、 歼8 YYY 、 歼8 ZZZ</STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp;一起出来走秀了&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>就凭它几十年的一贯表现,<BR>俺 <STRONG>看死</STRONG> 吹牛王吃不下那三大碗干饭!<BR>先不说会引起国家和军方投入在四代机上的资源的分散,<BR>一家伙整出三种四代机,想累死机务人员?!<BR>——战略忽悠局在行动<BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>沈飞要整三种四代机?<BR><BR>——可别是 歼8 XXX 、 歼8 YYY 、 歼8 ZZZ&nbsp;&nbsp;一起出来走秀了&nbsp; &nbsp;<BR><BR>就凭它几十年的 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>白衣背嵬 发表于 2010-4-17 02:16 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1576299&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7876398198849526 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>沈飞是有点不争气,不过也不像你说的那样不堪。<BR>现在沈飞主打的是歼11系列,估计今后改型还会不断出的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1577772>唉,刀版说丝带不曝光,看来也得和10一样,装备了才露面。等等看?啥消息都能瞎白扯老久了........<BR>同志们,锻炼火眼金睛的时候又到了...............</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1577918><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1572968&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>1970#</FONT></A> <I>menhulu</I> </STRONG><BR>太恐怖了,3种4代。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>有关四代,借用一句名言:谁笑到最后,谁笑的最好!<BR>布衣兄转的文章里,最核心的一句应该是“通过艰苦努力 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-4-13 12:00 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1567182&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9802470126487146 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;国家投入大,这个我们08年去洛阳,去一家生产军舰动力系统的公司实习,领队包鸟:“我们厂的人是最爱国的,也是最喜欢陈水扁的,我们最希望的事是台湾独立,那样的话国家统一,我们厂的工人发财。。。。。。。。”然后领着我们一干人等,一边走一边包鸟,指着厂区路边的工地说:“06年国家给我们拨了2亿,07年国家给了3亿,08年国家一下子给了13亿,还下了死命令,不准用来发工资,提高福利待遇,只准该厂房,买设备。。。。场子里都不知道这笔钱该咋花了,于是你们看,没办法,领导把老厂房三米的水泥地基打碎,换成六米的。。。。。。。。”最后就是在厂房里不准拍照之类的DD,讲了一个间谍故事算是举例子了,后来我们问是不是和航母有关,人家是三缄其口。。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>沈飞的技术储备够用,看看歼九九知道了。猛!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-4-18 01:36 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1577910&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.487769692846965 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀大还能漏几个吗<BR>下马或者淘汰的黑计划就行,方案很多,记得还有变掠翼的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>一个共同的特点——凡是预研工作开展的早的,或者说已经搞了几十年积累工作的重大装备系统,在新世纪都结出 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>布衣青裳 发表于 2010-4-19 10:11 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1579668&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.03924062724833932 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>科学技术,来不得一 点虚的,必须脚踏实地,一步一个脚印,踩在前人的肩膀上慢慢攀登高峰。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1580751>2023图:<BR>这个屏显太落后了,四代的怎么也是衍射啊!<BR>很多年前就是无框大镜面了,那框子丑死了。不过,这可能是个模拟器,不讲究平显。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1580770>四代的“杆儿”是侧杆,类似F16,以便拉高G。同时也反映出四代是追求高机动性的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1581018>终于看完了,谢谢刀大,普及了很多知识。期待我们的四代,应该真的快了。<BR>相信组织,相信政府,我相信中华民族一定能独步天下。<BR>中华民族的科技、智慧以及我们的价值观一定能引领新的世界。<BR>棒子,鬼子,阿三这些像狗一样爬在美国面前的民族总有一天会像狗一样跟着我们跑的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>四代的“杆儿”是侧杆,类似F16,以便拉高G。同时也反映出四代是追求高机动性的。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-4-19 16:36</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1580770&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.4833093587185629 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>唉,刀大肯定看过样机了~~眼馋啊~~~</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1581258>楼上的不靠谱哦!丝带是有鸭翼滴</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1581541>发表于 2010-4-19 11:26 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1581541><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1581258&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>2035#</FONT></A> <I>qqsunfaye</I> </STRONG><BR>我注意的是截图中的四代机首飞这几个字,呵呵<BR>真是期待啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1582344>发表于 2010-4-20 11:57 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀大,这个靠谱吗?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>longlong1102 发表于 2010-4-19 08:16 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1581236&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.37871283805179156 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>这个就是官泄吧。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1582357>发表于 2010-4-20 12:06 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1582431>楼上的这么一说<BR>俺咋觉得这么乱呢<BR>四代到底是啥样啊<BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1582619>发表于 2010-4-20 01:33 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>光有强大的身躯,却不会软硬兼施,或者说不会“文武之道,一张一弛”的对外政策,那么中国的影响力不要说冲 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>剑胆文心6 发表于 2009-11-14 04:27 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1332551&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.86952437695726 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>赞同!忽悠傻兮兮的愤青容易。<BR>造飞机,进行文化输出,,,才不容易。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1600139>呵呵,平大师经常出错误,但是不可否认人家的鼻子敏感度那确实是超一流的。<BR>好嘛,咱们国内是消毒了,境外倒“热”起来了,空穴来风未必无因,咱可以肯定的说——4代已经取得了重大阶段性胜利!<BR>其实刀版在前面几页一“降调”,咱心里就咯噔一下——这是真来了!已经进村了,只是打枪地不要。<BR>中国的研制过程历来如此,1.突然相关论文多起来了,就是进入发展阶段了。<BR>2.然后相关信息“消失”了,这就是进入型号研制阶段了。<BR>3.再然后境外出消息了,网络上有蛛丝马迹了,这就是到了“实体”出来的时候了<BR>4.再再然后,一些震撼人心的甚至被“误解”的东西出来,那就进入测试高峰期了.........<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>刀版!你休想“瞒天过海”住广大资深军米的丰富“反特”经验</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1600249>国家现在有钱,就该多造。<BR>1、到底哪个型号最好,理论终究不是整理,实践检验后才能够定性<BR>2、如果造出来都不错,那更加好<BR>3、研究这个东西,即使完全走错了,那也是收获,至少知道哪个方向不对;何况多多少少都会有积累;科研的偶然性还是蛮大的,特别是材料方便,谁知道一不小心弄错了什么流程,反而得到更好的材料呢。<BR>政府有钱的时候,一定要努力搞,钱不花出去,那是死的,花出去转移支付给国民,还可造成一定的市场繁荣。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1600268><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 浪子豪 于 2010-4-27 02:45 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1337795&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>249#</FONT></A> <I>刀口</I> </STRONG><BR><BR><BR>  战斗机高机动是有意义的,尤其是结合主被动干扰规避中程导弹。<BR>  首先是中程导弹的过载数字比如35G,是有条件的,一般是在“动力航程范围内”。导弹发动机的动力航程大小不等,需要在重量、成本、杀伤范围之间来回取舍。通常100km中程导弹动力航程只有70km左右。如果目标战机向相反方向开加力超音速机动,将会使得中程导弹的实际射程急剧下降。例如美军“不死鸟”导弹,对高空迎面接近的直线飞行目标拥有超过150公里的最大射程,但在同高度下对抗以6-7G 机动的目标时,射程就只剩37公里。<BR>  第二,中程导弹为了在有限弹体和重量限制下,追求更高的速度和射程,单体都做得比较细长,为了减少阻力控制面的总面积也比较少,这就决定了设计过载指标受到较大限制,实际使用过载更低。<BR>  第三,中程导弹的速度高,转动惯量也大,比如4~5倍音速,以35G过载(实际不可能的)转向追踪目标,飞行半径也远远超过速度为高亚音速过载9G的战机。<BR>  第四,如果说还有什么比中程导弹过载许用范围更低的,就是导引头捕捉角度,一旦目标转弯超出这个范围就会射失。<BR>  第五,战斗机的许用过载虽然限制在9G,但是战斗机控制翼面总面积和转动惯量的比值更小,尤其是做横滚转向,整个机身垂直投影都是控制面,半径就更小(即使还是9G),连续横滚侧转,累积转动惯量变更就更加可观。<BR>  第六,战斗机的许用过载在同等高度和速度下是恒定的,中程导弹则随着射程增加而下降,并且每次转向也都会造成惯性损失,需要更多燃料补偿速度与动能,除非动力航程足够长,否则一次角度稍大的规避,都可能造成没有足够燃料重新定向跟踪。<BR>  第七,15000米以上,空气非常稀薄,中程导弹的控制翼面不足的问题将急剧恶化,而同时拥有小展弦比、高速度、大过载、低翼载、高敏捷(尤其瞬盘和滚转)能力的战斗机(最典型的就是歼十和四代重歼)这几种性能的战斗机在这高度的规避能力却不降反增——相比大展弦比高翼载的飞机如F16、F35、F22,歼十与四代重歼在中、低空(空气密度高)的相对敏捷性反而会降低。<BR>  第八,先进的导弹预警、相控阵雷达和综合电子战系统(歼十B翼下已经装备新一代综合电子战系统吊舱)强大的主动干扰、拖曳式诱饵(歼十B翼下电子战舱/挂架复合体的尾部可以携带并释放)、主动式飞航诱饵(100kg左右的足够飞80km)、被动式电磁红外诱饵等等、未来可能存在的导弹导引头激光干扰/杀伤装置——你别说99主战坦克上的那个东西结合F35用的分布式孔径系统就成……,等等等等措施,结合高机动——尤其15000米以上的高速度高敏捷度的持续机动,是能够有效应对已知和即将出现的各类中程导弹的威胁。<BR><BR>  F22要有效杀伤四代重歼和歼十高级改版,只用中程导弹是很难有他们想象的效果,尤其后两者在有F22存在的空域必将长期于15000米以上蹲点。先进格斗导弹没有这些缺点或者相比更好一些,那么,就让F22和我们的四代重歼以及高版本歼十在15000米以上的平流层都使用第四代格斗导弹进行生死对决吧。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;刀口 <BR>  战斗机高机动是有意义的,尤其是结合主被动干扰规避中程导弹。<BR>  首先是中程导弹的 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>浪子豪 发表于 2010-4-27 02:27 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1600268&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.02206560955960496 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>没办法了,从爬249楼再说。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1602397><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2010-4-27 10:49 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>压气机的单极增压比在2.5~3.0之间是最理想状态,世界上主流的3代机目前在1.2~1.8之间。<BR>作为下代机的预研项目,我国已经做出了单极增压比在2.2~2.3之间的实验室型号,跨进了一大步...................据说下代机已经通过了高空台的达标工作。<BR>-----------------<BR>ZT高空台图<BR> 1.jpg <BR>.........................三、在高推重比发动机核心机研制中成绩突出<BR>2000年以后,他开始参加配装四代机的我国最先进的航空发动机自主研制项目——高推重比发动机核心机方案设计和工程设计,由于技术过硬,表现突出,他由一名普通的设计人员逐渐成长为总体结构技术研究室主任、高推重比核心机副总工程师。<BR><FONT color=red>2009年12月25日,按照原定计划,是核心机进行高空台达标试验的日子,这是考核试验的最后一个阶段,也是最难达到的考核试验</FONT>。这时,核心机已完成分解检查和重新装配,一切似乎都已准备就绪。头一天晚上,李中祥一直难以入睡,核心机结构就像放电影似的一遍又一遍在脑海里浮现,压气机、燃烧室、涡轮,静子、转子,轴向力·····,每一个设计细节显得是那么清晰。第二天,在仔细查看了核心机装配后的检测数据后他对同事说,“核心机暂时还不能试车,涡轮盘前间隙很可能太小,试车有很大风险,请强度专业再仔细校核一次”。随后,强度专业在综合考虑载荷、温度、转速等多种因素基础上对该处间隙进行详细计算,计算结果证实了他的判断,最后一个考核试验点存在转、静子发生碰摩的巨大危险。经过设计师系统的研究讨论后决定,立即再次进行核心机分解调整和重新装配。正是由于他的认真的排查、果敢的决定、正确的判断,保证凝聚了无数航空人心血、极其贵重的核心机顺利完成了最为关键的高空台达标试验。<BR>八股文地址<A href="http://www.cannews.com.cn/2010/0423/41156.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.cannews.com.cn/2010/0423/41156.html</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1602432>发表于 2010-4-27 10:47 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1603299>发表于 2010-4-28 12:27 PM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1603299>现在全网络根本没有四代机的实图,不像J10,没有公布就有实图了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1606060>发表于 2010-4-29 11:42 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1606060><STRONG>好东西已经出现, 中华网的</STRONG><BR><BR><IMG alt="" src="http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100429/11/5374243420100429114100092.jpg"><BR><BR><IMG alt="" src="http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100429/11/5374243420100429114138040.jpg"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>若是周围小国引进八爷后(或更高更快的米格25)再突然翻脸怎么办? 我们的四代不是白装备了吗?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>东方之腹1 发表于 2009-11-14 09:54 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1332840&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.32323731342083417 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 美军真正强大的是作战体系。<BR><BR>美军不也有A-10这样的飞机么?<BR><BR>你这人真是,米格--25也要在强大C4I的条件下才能起作用。<BR><BR>你用一架米格--25去挑F--22,那是找死。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>前面说到躲导弹.我看鹰隼大队的时候提到跟导弹打对头,在命中前的瞬间突然转向.我觉得这种方法在运动学上是可 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>鸿 发表于 2009-11-19 10:59 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1338710&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7069165186163218 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 我日,难得不是糊涂。<BR><BR>你怎么判断快要命中这个时间段?<BR><BR>那还需要灵感吧?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1608617>发表于 2010-4-30 08:42 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>小日本还想攻击中国?&nbsp;&nbsp;活腻了。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>鸿 发表于 2009-11-23 11:16 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1344921&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6565766347083096 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;当了两千年的老二,终于有机会当老大,眼瞅就成功了.......</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>P神发言,&nbsp; &nbsp;消息一向很准<BR><BR><BR>peishens<BR>不多的时间,你们将看到我们的那只丑陋的大青蛙,一些人会惊讶于 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>正义自有力量 发表于 2009-11-24 12:07 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1345446&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.4549664270467484 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>对于这个,我很怀疑。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>重剑兄说的有味道!<BR>环顾亚洲,真正具备研发四代的只能看中国,道理很简单,没有长期的预演积累,特别是没 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2009-11-24 01:12 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1345559&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.449519247506362 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>个人觉得小日本会拼了命的来追中国。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1610999>发表于 2010-4-30 09:28 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>评论人品容易打架甚至骂起来,最后是不欢而散。<BR>但是也不要搞小动作,数据要真实,不要为了论据而造假,那 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2009-12-14 11:20 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1373670&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5520361944591322 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀哥,这家伙是什么?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1615903>感觉歼十都放开让外国驻华武官随便看了,丝带不会还没首飞吧,应该是进入定型生产阶段才比较靠谱哦</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1616119>刀版、布衣兄,看到前面提到四代、PL10、PL12及改的有关讨论,我有个问题请教。<BR>在未来空战中(仅限不可避免的空战)假设出现:<BR>1.战机没有代差;<BR>2.体系接近(双向透明);<BR>3.空战武器(比如空空弹)性能差不多;<BR>4.飞行员心理素质、技战术水平接近。&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;如何取胜?<BR>A.死磕,拼消耗;<BR>B.强调隐蔽性、突然性(涉及情报、战术欺骗);<BR>C.多机种协同,强调整体战力(高中低空搭配、预警空中指挥……)。<BR><BR>这样思考对不对?<BR>——————————————————————<BR>如果这样思考有一定道理,会不会引出相关的问题,比如:<BR><BR>1.格斗弹和超视距弹哪个更加有效;<BR>2.战机的隐身和机动性的关系如何平衡;<BR>3.航炮应不应该回到起点重新被考虑;<BR>4.机载干扰和告警系统瞬间的作用如何强化;<BR>5.飞行员求生装置、战场救护如何有效及时;<BR>……</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1616567>刀大~~~~~~比如按实际线化确定调整工装什么的~~~~是不是就是说生产线改造~~~~准备小批量生产</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1618401>刀版、布衣兄,提的问题水平有限哈,这些问题我也是剽学剽问的。我在想,我们近若干年来随着国力的不断增强,海空天军事技术和理论井喷态势想掖着也难,但凡事都有一个时空的承启和全球域化战略考量在里边。无人、四代、次轨、空天等军事技术发展方向,我们明晰并不断在赶超中,这是我们国家尊严的诉求,也是我们能力的展示,更是现实国际社会政经军事第一梯队的平衡之需要。战略机遇期的时间表就真实的摆在那里,指向2015前后。<BR>就本贴而言,如刀版兄言,单一的武器可以看做综合的节点,不论是击落卫星还是中段反导,对抗还是体系的对抗。至于未来的空战,在超越的过程中如果跟霉鬼真的有那么一段并驾“同居”的日子(请注意,不是什么“G2”时代)如何做到“首战用我,用我必胜”?<BR>————————————————————————————————————<BR>技术贴里感叹不多谈,免得扰了大家的兴趣。建议刀版、布衣兄能不能系统一点谈谈(专贴更好):战机火控、飞控、雷达、空弹、空战模式探究、体系支撑(卫星、预警、)、后勤保障等。涉密的话,可不可以改加密信号为市井文字,呵呵。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1618661><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1618410&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>2086#</FONT></A> <I>浪漫心情</I> </STRONG><BR>——————————————————————————————————<BR>我们已经不是消极的“国土防空”,“有所为”就是走向深蓝的说,呵呵,天很高,海很大。海空天一体的战略支撑体系正在逐渐演变成“中美+”的阵型,至于再往前发展是个什么样子不好说,呵呵。会有那么一段相当长各揣心思平起平坐的日子,但绝不会有“G2”。相安无事倒也罢了,一旦动手,大家一起往对方一看,手里的家伙差不多,非要短兵相接的话(前提:“不可避免的空战”)该怎么个打法?<BR><BR>之所以在帖子里提这么个话题,我是觉得咱们在赶超的过程中,霉鬼的一些经验有可借鉴之处,比如,它为什么保留已淘汰的调频、调谐广播体系等等?也许在未来的某些情况下原始的简单的也可能是最有效的。所以我们在对思代、航妈、翻到、空天等等感到扬眉吐气欢欣鼓舞的时候,也就能对用了多年的强5、歼8的存在和作用了然于心,它们也是体系的一部分。人的头脑是最能动的,唯武论不是我们的传统。<BR><BR>我记得以前在铁血看到过一篇帖子,俺去找找。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1618794>找到了:<BR>[原创首发]漫谈空空导弹时代的空战[博客帖] <BR>文章提交者:renfeng 加贴在 空军论坛 铁血论坛 <A href="http://bbs.tiexue.net/bbs69-0-1.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://bbs.tiexue.net/bbs69-0-1.html</FONT></A><BR><A href="http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_2336039_1.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_2336039_1.html</FONT></A><BR><BR>首先感谢帖子的作者!个人看法:感觉这篇帖子的作者在分析新一代战机的隐身、机动的关系并没有很肯定的讲清楚。这的确是个课题,呵呵。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1619322>嘿嘿,俺就一扯点旧货废书瞎吹的主,可别扯上咱呀。z版大人饶命哈.............<BR>----------------------------------<BR>军事服从政治,技术服务战略。咱一是跟踪研究,这是为了观察未来方向,明白各种技术的虚实,技术发展更新的太快了,但是真正实用的可行的不多,这个研究就非常重要了。<BR>二是根据自己的国防战略.军队特色,搞重点突破。符合咱们要求的满足未来斗争需要的,咱们就集中兵力打歼灭战!搞好一个,前进一大步。<BR>三早期探索也是这样,根据中国科学家的智慧,中国的特色,开展自行探索,预先研究工作。<BR>各种各样的军备竞赛,傻子才参与,咱不搞那一套,成熟一个应用一个,应用一个,突破一片。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀版、布衣兄,看到前面提到四代、PL10、PL12及改的有关讨论,我有个问题请教。<BR>在未来空战中(仅限不可避 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>zwwz180515 发表于 2010-5-4 04:00 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1616119&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>515兄这可把我考住了!试图回答一些我理解的。<BR>如果按你说的条件双方都差不多,就要比战略纵深了。就东亚而言,显然美日是吃亏的,这是有一说一并不夸张。主要是美日的二线配置与一线之间距离太远,衔接有问题。短暂的交手可能问题不大,但是战争的烈度升高,一线的机场必将遭受我弹道导弹的沉重打击,这时候美日只能靠距离2400公里外的关岛补给和使用航母衔接这之间的战略断层。<BR>随着我军在技术上解决了对付航母的手段,美日的这个断层就会不可弥补,中等烈度的常规战争,美日必败无疑!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1620176>战略战役问题刀版谈了,咱就瞎扯点小看法。<BR>1.格斗弹和超视距弹哪个更加有效;<BR>(随着技术的发展都有效,中距弹能够打下来,没谁愿意进入格斗弹。格斗弹可实现的早,所以看起来比较成熟。技术进步了,中距弹突破了,所以现在大家都重点搞中距弹。咱看来相当长时间内两种导弹的作用应该是平等的,就看谁技术突破的快!)<BR>2.战机的隐身和机动性的关系如何平衡;<BR>(威胁判断和作战要求,在更新的隐形技术成熟前,是压低机动性迁就隐形性,毕竟是异军突起嘛,还是有革命性意义的。)<BR>3.航炮应不应该回到起点重新被考虑;<BR>(航炮的未来是定向能武器,航炮早就不是要不要取得的问题了,而是如何发展了)<BR>4.机载干扰和告警系统瞬间的作用如何强化;<BR>(干扰是在频率和功率上发展,利用分布式相控阵技术,定向能技术...告警也是拓宽频率,提高检测灵敏度,如:疑视焦平面技术,紫外线技术.分布式窗口技术....<BR>5.飞行员求生装置、战场救护如何有效及时;<BR>(这是个大系统的问题,《航空知识》2010.4期上有专文介绍,可以了解一下)<BR>Z版的问题都是大得不得了的终合性问题,咱可瞎吹不上多少,网天潜水大佬多,希望大家赐教吧。呵呵</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1620960>布衣兄说的对。<BR>另外机炮在将来的四代还保留主要是对飞行员的心理干预。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1621383>在以强对强的年代,战斗意志.训练水平.战术战法等等软实力就起着决定性的作用了,同样水平的装备水平,不同的部队效果就是不一样。<BR>记得90年的海湾战争,中国装甲兵军官现场看了后说“换咱们的兵试试?”,嘿嘿,就这么个意思。阿拉伯世界和以色列长期对抗的过程中,装备水平差距并不是那么大的。<BR>-------------------------------------------------<BR>美国的技术和技术路线,首先咱自己得有相当的研究高度,这才能明白其中的关窍,否则被忽悠了都还以为检了个宝。《星球大战》说苏联被忽悠了,那是战略上说的,苏联已经军备竞赛多年,下不来了,结果基础经济实力不能支撑反而大大破坏了整体国民经济,但是技术上人家根本就是靠自我研究的,根本不听美国的瞎忽悠。冷战后美国还得老老实实认真向人家学习,所以自身的技术水平决定你理解的深度,阿三就始终犯这个错误。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1622978>今天军事新闻里提到的是新型直升飞机是不是就是十?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=84273" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>大象无形</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><STRONG><A id=postnum1623027 title=复制本帖链接 href="javascript:;"><FONT color=#800080><EM>2079</EM><SUP>#</SUP></FONT></A> </STRONG>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1623027>发表于 2010-5-6 08:16 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>今天军事新闻里提到的是新型直升飞机是不是就是十?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>天地浮云 发表于 2010-5-6 07:48 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1622978&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>不是,是武直9,两名飞行员并列;武直10是串列。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=92532" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>天地浮云</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1623053>发表于 2010-5-6 08:30 PM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1623053>倒是没有注意这一点,一看到机内的显示屏,再听到解说说是新型飞机(9改应该称不上新型飞机吧),有个黑咕隆咚的镜头看着像。<BR><BR>呵呵</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=7057" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>正义自有力量</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1630700>发表于 2010-5-10 07:49 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1630700>俄罗斯5代的评价<BR><IMG alt="" src="http://image161.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20100510/07/53742434201005100736338181034412840_000.jpg"><BR> 1.jpg <BR> 2.jpg <BR> 3.jpg <BR> 4.jpg <BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=96161" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>swiftosos</FONT></A> </DIV>
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