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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;marx <BR>601的方案就是俄罗斯苏霍伊公司的T50,这和已经证实了.再说山载一说几乎可以洗洗睡了.因为就算 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>CCCP007 发表于 2010-9-12 01:13 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1960204&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.4144778386568005 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>言必称LIZYU,让人不得不高呼LIZYU V5!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1960217>601不会这么垃圾吧,希望611坚持住。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;marx <BR>601的方案就是俄罗斯苏霍伊公司的T50,这和已经证实了.再说山载一说几乎可以洗洗睡了.因为就算 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>CCCP007 发表于 2010-9-12 01:13 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1960204&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7167462121874236 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 照你这说法611是被601推出去做挡箭牌了?601搞的新93是什么?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>这就是想气气咱们,毛子不地道!<BR>我们盘算来盘算去决定不受毛子的钳制,自然有我们的道理,毛子在军购问 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-9-11 01:36 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1958506&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8011120384777052 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>自研才是王道。A三太浮躁了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;marx <BR>这可是有依据的,因为601要上T50,你不先买一百架你怎么造?<BR>601和112一直不是吹搞四代机吗?那东 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>CCCP007 发表于 2010-9-11 11:27 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1960044&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3496770860615454 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>====T50到现在还是个验证机,还未到原型机首飞的阶段,况且四代机的各个子系统:雷达、航电、发动机都没有着落,看外形隐身能力有限,几乎无法超巡,至多是个3.75代的战斗轰炸机的坯子,综合能力能否达到F35都是问题。而611的四代重歼即将首飞,各个子系统除了发动机仍在按计划发展均已成熟,并有部分移植到J10改上,气动及材料隐形与F22一个档次,另外挂中国领先世界的等离子隐形技术,隐形能力更胜一筹,气动更是611重歼的突出优势,其先进科幻的气动外形令各位老大惊叹,综合而言,611重歼灭在空战中足以压制F22,可谓天下无敌、勇冠三军。601真的要是只能山寨T50这个准四,还好意思出来见人吗?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>====T50到现在还是个验证机,还未到原型机首飞的阶段,况且四代机的各个子系统:雷达、航电、发动机都 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>北星之光 发表于 2010-9-12 12:49 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1960968&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.2762355622359636 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 这个我赞同! T50我怎么看也觉得隐身能力不足,气动相较于F22没有大的优势,何况发动机不如人家优秀。说T50水平的飞机601做不出来,实在是难以让人相信。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>就俄罗斯那t50的熊样也配和我们合作开发四代机,洗洗睡了吧,俄罗斯和乌克兰就是垃圾,自己的斯呗和太行比他 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>liaojing 发表于 2010-9-8 09:04 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1950423&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8434234982698645 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 自大了不是,二毛子的AN124在未来几十年还是很难突破的,大毛子的M26我们很向往的。<BR><BR>乌克兰的发动机技术还是蛮有基础的,人家是合作,自然有点货才敢开口;家里没有货的人是不会随便乱讲的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1962218>发表于 2010-9-12 09:11 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>自大了不是,二毛子的AN124在未来几十年还是很难突破的,大毛子的M26我们很向往的。<BR>乌克兰的 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>无色环 发表于 2010-9-12 08:59 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1962192&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.860930183501446 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>====现在说的是歼击机,不是大运和直升机。再说AN124几十年不突破?求证据</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>这就是想气气咱们,毛子不地道!<BR>我们盘算来盘算去决定不受毛子的钳制,自然有我们的道理,毛子在军购问 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-9-11 01:36 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1958506&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7435803505126747 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 刀口是不是太乐观了?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1970901>广空歼八一次飞行完成空中多次加油等3大课目&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年09月15日 09:50:51  来源:新华军事&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-09/15/content_14178864.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-09/15/content_14178864.htm</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff> 1.jpg <BR></FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 歼八战机实施空中加油。范以书摄 <BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 东方网9月15日消息:临近中秋,记者在广空航空兵某团看到,该团飞行计划表上<STRONG>“战术对抗”、“空中多次加油”、“超低空飞行突袭”等3个以往需要独立组织飞行场次的重点训练课目</STRONG>,已经在本场飞行中结合为一个飞行架次实施。 <BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; “起飞!”指挥员下达命令,4架战机编队腾空而起。飞机的身影刚刚消失在云际,指挥所就收到“发现‘敌’机对我实施拦截”的信息。<STRONG>领航参谋将空中态势情报实时上传,4架战机迅速拉开战术队形,保持无线电静默</STRONG>,快速接近“敌”机,先“敌”发现、截获、锁定目标,一举将“敌”机击落,首战取得胜利。 <BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 此时,战机油量告警灯闪起,飞行员受命立即飞向指定加油区域。几分钟后,加、受油机编队穿云破雾在空中汇合,4架飞机分成两个批次受油。<FONT color=red>很快,满载油料的战机告别加油机,以低空、超低空飞行向突击目标机动,继续执行突击训练任务。接近“敌”阵地时,战机突然跃升,对目标实施火力打击,“敌”阵地陷入一片火海。返航途中</FONT>,<STRONG>战机编队又一次顺利实施空中加油,安全着陆。 </STRONG>&nbsp; &nbsp; “将多个课目捆绑在一起训练,验证了飞机经空中加油后大航程飞行的优良性能,提高了飞行员的飞行耐力、空中态势感知能力和打击决断能力,显著提升了训练效益。”该团团长李强告诉记者,他们下一步将把这种试训逐步转化为常态化普训、深训,探索战机成建制多次加油遂行多种作战任务新路。来源:解放军报<BR>----------<BR>来个八爷的新闻吧。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1972094>航天科技一院某型号战术武器首飞试验圆满成功-<BR>航天科技一院所属各单位齐心协力开展超常工作 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<A href="http://www.china-spacenews.com/" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.china-spacenews.com</FONT></A> 2010年09月10日  <BR>7月初,面对下半年高密度发射任务的考验,中国航天科技集团公司一院向全院干部职工发出了“抢时间、争主动、超常工作、奋战三季度”的号召。两个月来,该院所属各单位认真落实号召精神,提前统筹策划,精心组织实施,使员工充分认识到当前面临的形势和自己肩负的使命,明确了责任,提高了效率,全院上下形成了团结一致向前看、奋勇拼搏保成功、同舟共济破难关的良好局面,为确保全年型号任务和经济指标的圆满完成奠定了坚实的基础。<BR>  脚踏实地 迎难而上<BR>  为了使基层员工充分了解下半年面临的形势和高密度发射任务带来的考验,7月初,该院所属各单位对“超常工作、奋战三季度”的相关工作进行了精心部署和统筹安排,并围绕下半年的重点型号任务,积极推进落实各项措施,不断提高工作效率,确保下半年各项型号任务圆满完成。该院所属有关单位领导深入一线,及时发现问题,为员工排忧解难;基层员工立足本岗、脚踏实地、兢兢业业完成好自己的工作,面对真正的考验不畏难、不退缩,显示了航天人良好的精神风貌和职业素养。<BR>  战术武器事业部全体干部职工加班加点奋战三季度,立足岗位、恪尽职守,不断攻克技术难关,破解发展难题,取得了丰硕的成果。该部不仅取得了某型号首飞试验的圆满成功,而且其专门针对客户需求制作的提案也被列入该领域“十二五”发展规划之中</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>航天科技一院某型号战术武器首飞试验圆满成功-<BR>航天科技一院所属各单位齐心协力开展超常工作 <BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;2010年0 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>水无形 发表于 2010-9-15 03:47 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1972094&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5407103073557202 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>无人机?还是 导弹?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1975944><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-9-16 06:56 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1958555&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>2848#</FONT></A> <I>刀口</I> </STRONG><BR>转<BR><BR>景文春考察中航工业成飞<BR><BR>2010年9月16日 星期四&nbsp;&nbsp; 中国航空报<BR><BR> 1.jpg <BR><BR>景文春(左四)、李玉海(左二)一行在成飞考察。<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 本报讯 9月11日,空军副司令员景文春在中航工业副总经理李玉海的陪同下,到中航工业成飞考察。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 景文春一行参观了成飞科研生产现场,充分肯定了成飞大干型号所取得的阶段性成绩。他说,成绩的取得来源于领导的决心、很好的基础和新技术的支撑,他认为大家干得苦、干得巧、干得有成就,希望大家继续努力,圆满完成全年各项目标任务。(徐运乾)<BR>---------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>刀大,杨所长亲自解说啊,景副司令看的是四代吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;刀口 <BR>转<BR><BR>景文春考察中航工业成飞<BR><BR>2010年9月16日 星期四&nbsp;&nbsp; 中国航空报<BR><BR>景文春(左四) ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ggxxs 发表于 2010-9-16 06:55 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1975944&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.18403280634390123 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>杨伟现在是集团的副总,主抓四代的研发。当初杨伟调到集团公司任副总许多网站胡乱猜测是架空,真是不熟悉我们的干部政策。杨是副总也是611所长,其意义主要是可以以集团领导的身份在更高的层次协调重点型号的研发,朝内有人好办事嘛。<BR>杨伟的手势显然是在向景福司令解说四代的气动外形,而景副司令的表情告诉我们,这家伙真是太厉害了!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1976838><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-9-17 08:33 AM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>杨伟现在是集团的副总,主抓四代的研发。当初杨伟调到集团公司任副总许多网站胡乱猜测是架空,真是不熟悉 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-9-17 12:02 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1976534&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3703408577329772 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>多谢刀大,601所长任副总也是一样的意义吧,没有刀大的解说只是相信不会被架空的,其他的就比较难理解了<BR>几年前杨伟去清华演讲的时候,就说过枭龙是三代机,611走完了3个型号的全程<BR>还提到国家已经给611所拨款10亿,要求611再建造一个国际领先的飞机设计所,估计是863计划里的航天的或者无人机<BR>前2天我就以为,这次景副司看的如果不是四代就是高超音速飞行器</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1977601><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 刀口 于 2010-9-17 11:22 AM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>多谢刀大,601所长任副总也是一样的意义吧,没有刀大的解说只是相信不会被架空的,其他的就比较难理解了<BR>...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ggxxs 发表于 2010-9-17 07:04 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1976838&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.014630721828357895 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>重点型号老总任上一级的副总,进领导班子、常委,意义是绝对不一样的,简单说,要点东西谁不给当面就敢跟他急,你要是下级,这孙子打官腔,你还拿他没办法。<BR>另外,杨伟给景副司令讲解其实身份是总设计师讲解,应该是四代。杨伟目前恐怕没有其他精力再任其他重点型号的总师,虽然他兼任过枭龙的总师 ,但是那 是在歼十基本试飞完成后的事,时间节点与现在不一样。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1977625>俺们咋听说首翻是800小时啊。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1977630>有刀哥解说就是不同,能挖出好多信息来<BR>期待丝带啊!!!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>俺们咋听说首翻是800小时啊。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ppplll 发表于 2010-9-17 11:01 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1977625&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.06076757390947224 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>太行翻修间隔是1500,总寿命更长</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1977691>这八股可信吗?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>这八股可信吗?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ppplll 发表于 2010-9-17 11:20 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1977691&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.047193405917665854 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>3P兄指的是那篇</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1978038>发表于 2010-9-17 12:31 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1978038><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-9-17 02:03 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>重点型号老总任上一级的副总,进领导班子、常委,意义是绝对不一样的,简单说,要点东西谁不给当面就敢跟 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-9-17 10:54 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1977601&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6838641238227727 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀大,我的意思是当时小白说杨伟被调走的时候没看到解说,不能理解出任副总的意义<BR>等四代试飞完后,杨伟就能做其他的型号吧,现在超高音速飞行器只有验证的消息<BR><BR> 1.jpg <BR><BR>这也是总师汇报吧,还是景副司令<BR>唐长红是一飞院副院长,据说左边是大运,右上角是隐轰的嘴</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1978051>八股不可信,咱也没别的可看了啊?&nbsp;&nbsp;这边不是刀兄一个在顶着吗,</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>唐长红也是一飞院副院长,据说左边是大运,右上角是隐轰的嘴<BR>这也是总师汇报 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ggxxs 发表于 2010-9-17 12:31</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1978038&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8661888925694061 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>我的个乖乖,这房间真牛啊——左边是大运、中间是丝代、右边是隐轰。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1978083>发表于 2010-9-17 12:40 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>我的个乖乖,这房间真牛啊——左边是大运、中间是丝代、右边是隐轰。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>哒哒哒嘀嘀 发表于 2010-9-17 12:35 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1978061&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9342791515096902 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>这是阎良,丝代是否在中间还不清楚</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton1978588>发表于 2010-9-17 02:43 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀大,我的意思是当时小白说杨伟被调走的时候没看到解说,不能理解出任副总的意义<BR>等四代试飞完后,杨伟 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ggxxs 发表于 2010-9-17 12:31 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1978038&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.22484833408247706 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>高超音速飞机估计是总装先接,总装抓总。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1978695><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-9-17 03:47 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>高超音速飞机估计是总装先接,总装抓总。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-9-17 02:43 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1978588&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7355195740622125 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>高超音速有过成都飞机设计研究所的报道,可喜的是我国年轻的一辈已经起来了<BR>一直认为样机是不飞的,估计这里指的是验证机,大运和隐轰估计还要一段时间<BR><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>王纯,男,汉族,生于1970年10月,籍贯重庆,1992年7月南京航空学院本科毕业,2006年取得国防科技大学航天工程硕士学位,历任成都飞机设计研究所结构设计研究室机翼组设计员、专业副组长,空天技术设计研究室总体装配组副组长,空天技术发展组组长,现为<FONT color=red>空天技术与无人机设计研究部临近空间飞行器总体研究室</FONT>主任,高级工程师。<BR><BR>王纯同志参加工作十几年来,主要从事飞机结构设计、总体设计工作,先后在歼十飞机、枭龙飞机的设计与研制、“国家863计划”某重大项目研制工作中作出了较大贡献。在某重大项目“十五”工作中,他全程参与了试验样机的总体设计、总体装配、飞行试验,并全面负责某分系统研制项目管理,主持完成了应急分离装置的总体设计、安装、地面试验与机上地面试验,实现了<FONT color=red>航天器级间分离技术</FONT>在航空产品上的成功应用,为<FONT color=red>演示验证飞行试验</FONT>按计划安全完成奠定了坚实的基础。他技术过硬、善于管理,在“十一五”工作中带领一支平均年龄不到30岁的年轻队伍,全面承担了某试验样机的总体设计工作,在短短4年内完成了总体设计、总体装配,并作为样机指挥主持和参加了<FONT color=red>外场飞行试验</FONT>,为<FONT color=red>样机的成功首飞</FONT>立下汗马功劳。他参与设计的飞机,<FONT color=red>具有概念新、布局新和空天结合的特点,突破了总体、结构、环控防热一体化设计技术,急剧变化的重心与大范围变化的焦点匹配设计技术,严酷热环境下的全机多波段保形天线综合设计技术,全机有效载荷综合设计技术,填补了国内空白</FONT>。<BR><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>百度的图,和我国的应该没关系,参考一下<BR> 1.jpg <A href="http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/attachments/Mon_0901/208_30309_19c77e8378db70e.jpg" target=_blank></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_1994594>印尼空军已派飞行员赴中俄学习驾驶苏式战斗机&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年09月19日 09:08:01  来源: 东方网 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-09/19/c_12584780.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-09/19/c_12584780.htm</FONT></A> <BR> 1.jpg <BR>印尼空军主力战机编队,三加拉烟机型为俄制苏-30战机<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 雅加达邮报17日报道称,印尼空军计划加购6架俄制苏霍伊喷气式战斗机,以增强该国的空中防御能力。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 对此,印尼空军参谋长伊玛姆·苏法阿特(Imam Sufaat)表示,这项采购可能是其国防部长期计划的一部分,但他并不清楚该计划何时才会实施。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 据伊玛特透露,印尼总统苏西洛·班邦·尤多约诺已经批准了这项战机采购,它们将加入到印尼自2003年来从俄罗斯购买的现有10架喷气式战斗机之列。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 伊玛特告诉安塔拉通讯社称:“现有的苏霍伊战机中队尚不足以有效防御我国广泛的领土。”而且,他还补充说,印尼在该领域已经落在其邻国马来西亚之后——<STRONG>虽然马来西亚的领土面积相对较小,但它却拥有18架苏霍伊战斗机。</STRONG><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 报道称,实际上,印尼已于2007年8月花费3亿美元购买了6架苏霍伊战机。<STRONG>此外,印尼空军已派遣其飞行员奔赴俄罗斯及中国,学习如何驾驶这款喷气式战斗机。</STRONG>印度尼西亚此前希望中国为其提供飞行员训练,曾遭到俄罗斯的反对。俄担心中国会对诸如印尼等国出售其苏-27复制机型,即歼-11战机。俄罗斯曾表示,一旦中国这样做,其就会提起诉讼。迄今为止,中国已经生产了120多架歼-11战机。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; <STRONG>印尼近年采购重点由美国转向中俄,印尼对曾遭到美欧武器禁运一直心有余悸</STRONG>。虽然欧美分别于2000年和2005年解除了对印尼武器禁运,但印尼从美国采购的C-130运输机、F-16战机与F-5战机,因迟迟得不到相关零配件,严重影响到战机的维修升级。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 在这种情况下,中国和俄罗斯开始逐渐成为印尼的重要武器供应商。与昂贵的美国及欧洲武器相比,中国及俄罗斯的武器不仅性能优异,而且价格较低。<STRONG>此外,印尼从中国和俄罗斯采购军火,可以采用物物交换、分期付款等多种支付方式,可以大大减轻自身付款压力。</STRONG>今年以来,受到全球金融危机的影响,印尼的国防预算由之前的30.95亿美元缩减至30.36亿美元,在这一背景下,灵活的采购方式对印尼更具吸引力。(编译:春风)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=57379" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>杀无舍</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2015773>下面转的一个:沈阳也有隐身机的总设计师了!! <BR><BR>2005年,他当选为中国科学院院士。在被誉为“航空英才的摇篮”的沈阳飞机设计研究所,他成为继顾诵芬、管德、李明三位院士之后的第四位院士。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 他,就是航空界著名的飞机气动力专家,博士生导师,沈阳飞机设计研究所首席专家李天。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 漫漫征程,艰苦求索,执着奋斗,劈荆斩棘。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 李天,这位飞机设计专家,在飞机气动布局设计、隐身技术研究、航空技术预先研究和重大基础项目研究领域,做了大量创造性工作,为我国新一代飞机的研制做出了开拓性贡献。浩瀚蓝天,他用智慧与辛劳书写了壮美的篇章。他,无愧为天之骄子。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 追求•实干&nbsp;<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 李天,吉林省吉林市人,1963年毕业于清华大学工程力学数学系流体力学专业,著名的飞机空气动力学专家,2005年增选为中国科学院院士。现任中国航空工业集团公司沈阳飞机设计研究所首席专家、副总设计师,长期从事飞机气动布局设计和隐身技术研究。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 从事航空是他的梦想,航空报国是他的追求。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1963年,李天毕业于清华大学工程力学数学系流体力学专业。那时,他所学的专业有很多就业的选择,可以从事航天、航海、水利……而李天却毅然选择了他所挚爱的航空事业。怀着一腔热血真诚,满载丰富知识底蕴,他来到了沈阳飞机设计研究所从事飞机气动设计和隐身技术研究工作。从一名普普通通的技术员、专业组长、室副主任,成长为一名副总设计师、首席专家、院士,他一步一个坚实的足迹。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 空气动力学在航空、航天事业的发展中,有着举足轻重的作用,军用飞机的更新换代离不开空气动力学的发展和进步。李天在所从事的飞机空气动力学研究领域造诣颇深,创造性地解决了飞机研制过程中遇到的多项重大技术难题,并在工程实践中完善了我国飞机气动力布局的设计方法。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 他率先建立了“从风洞数据修正到飞行数值的相关性方法”。在某型飞机设计中,通过计算分析和风洞试验,解决了喷流对平尾效率和方向安定性的影响问题;通过对飞机的全面气动力设计计算、风洞试验和飞行试验研究,建立了一套超音速飞机小风洞试验结果换算到真实飞行数据的修正方法。利用该方法对某型飞机风洞试验数据修正后作为工程设计依据,经试飞验证气动布局设计一次成功,气动力特性准确。该方法已成功应用于型号设计中。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 他创造性提出并实施了增加襟翼偏度的方案。某型飞机改型设计后,由于外挂武器增加,导致飞机重量、重心变化,影响了飞机的起降性能。经过系统地研究分析、缜密思考,李天果敢提出增加襟翼偏度的大胆设想,经过多种方案的分析对比、风洞试验,获得了满足设计要求的襟翼偏度增大方案。,经试飞验证,有效地改善了起降性能。目前采用该襟翼的多个型号飞机已装备在空海军中。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 他成功解决了放减速板振动大及减速性差的问题。某型飞机在使用时出现了放减速板时振动大及减速性差的情况,所里立即成立了以李天为组长的攻关组进行现场攻坚。经过仔细观察、分析、判断,他果断提出了在减速板上开孔消除振动的方法。然而,要设计出高效的减振孔并非易事,必须要对孔的形状、大小、位置进行优化设计。为此,李天设计了多种开孔方案,并在高速风洞中首次采用同时测量阻力和脉动压力的方法,获得了既满足增阻要求又不产生强烈振动的减速板方案。经试飞验证,飞机减速性能达到设计指标,振动消除,该研究成果已在飞机上广泛应用。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 早在1975年,李天作为原国防科工委重点预研课题先进气动布局研究的课题负责人,就开始对第三代战斗机各种先进气动布局形式及特性进行系统研究。他通过对边条翼布局参数的系统研究,经过大量的计算分析、高低速风洞试验及流场测量,最终掌握了各项气动特性优良的先进战斗机布局方案及边条翼设计原则和方法,其研究成果已纳入2002年航空工业出版社出版的《飞机设计手册》第六册中。作为项目负责人,李天还完成了国家自然科学基金资助的、可用于战斗机设计及改进的“大迎角非定常涡破裂产生的飞机抖振特性研究”课题。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 一个个创新的设计方法,一条条迥异的思路方案,一项项攻克的技术关键,化为工程研制的强大推力,拉近了中国与世界飞机设计研制的距离。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 探索•开拓<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 要夺取未来战争的胜利,必须掌握制空权。因此,各国都把发展高性能军用飞机放到重要位置。航空高科技的研究与探索永无止境,李天放眼未来,在隐身技术领域纵横驰骋,为后人的研究铺下了坚实道路。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 为了我国隐身技术的开发和应用,李天点燃了他的智慧,用执著的追求和不懈的奋斗,辉映着生命的光华。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 李天,1986年担任原航空部隐身技术研究课题组组长后,带领院校、研究所几十名专家组成的团队,在隐身外形、材料及隐身特性计算、测试方法等方面进行攻关。经过大量的机理分析、试验研究,以及十几年的研究和积累,全面掌握了飞机主要部件参数对雷达波散射特性的影响规律,提出了解决减小雷达散射截面的有效方法和措施。他主编的具有自主知识产权的我国第一部《飞机隐身设计指南》,为航空设计部门的隐身设计提供了方法。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 随着飞机对隐身要求的提高,作为飞机前向三大主要散射源之一的进气道,对全机的隐身性能起着较大的影响。为攻克技术关键,李天对目前国外最先进的两种隐身进气道进行了系统的流动机理、气动特性研究,全面摸清了主要设计参数对进气道流动特性的影响规律,提出了先进进气道的设计原则并建立了先进的进气道与机体一体化的设计方法,形成了适合我国新一代飞机设计要求的先进进气道方案。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 李天秉承中国航空人几十年来形成的优良传统,更强烈地感受到世界科学技术的飞速发展,开拓与创新是推动航空高科技行业的重要力量。航空报国之志和科学奉献精神,使李天在航空新领域勇于创新,在研究中不断超越自我。不断创新与超越,使他的人生之旅异彩纷呈。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 新一代飞机要求具有良好的隐身与气动特性,而两者在外形设计上的矛盾成为当今飞机设计的一个难题。李天率先领导课题组开展新一代飞机总体、气动、隐身综合一体化设计技术研究,采用涡控方法及隐身技术,深入系统地研究了多种布局形式几十种方案,全面掌握了各种布局特点和部件干扰机理,创造性地解决了总体、气动与隐身在飞机设计上的矛盾,最终设计出一种符合未来需求、综合高性能飞机布局方案,为我国新一代飞机研制做出了开拓性贡献。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 在气动设计、电磁散射理论基础上,李天采用模糊数学和遗传算法建立了隐身气动综合优化设计软件,具有分析和计算任意复杂飞机外形的气动、隐身特性及对飞机外形参数进行综合优化设计的能力,为新一代飞机的外形设计提供了有效工具。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 李天是我国许多前沿学科研究的倡导者和实践者。从“七五”开始,他就领导航空预研课题的研究,先后有先进气动布局、总体综合设计、隐身技术等科研项目,都体现了当时国内航空领域的尖端技术。如今,他又在为航空领域2030规划和“十二五”重点预研项目论证日夜操劳。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 在学术研究上,他紧紧跟踪美国、俄罗斯、西欧等国家的航空发展趋势,主持编译了大量有关国外先进航空技术的文献资料,其中很多有关俄罗斯、西欧的重要文献都由他亲自校稿。在型号研制和预研工作中,他总能把最新的科研思想和成果,运用到实际工作中,并不断总结经验,提升理论。在他的领导下,沈阳飞机设计研究所在许多航空领域的学术水平都处于国内领先地位。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 自主创新作为科学技术发展的战略基点,大力提高原始创新、集成创新和引进消化吸收再创新能力,能够产生一种强大的力量,激发一个团队、一个民族、一个国家的理想与激情。李天带领他的团队,一路创新开拓,一路披荆斩棘,为振兴中国航空工业而搏击蓝天。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 襟怀•品格<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 明德惟馨,襟怀广阔,宁静致远……<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 46年如一日,他执著地追求着、奋斗着,无私、无怨、无悔,将全部心血和毕生的精力倾注于他所挚爱的航空事业。他以其深厚、渊博的知识赢得了人们的敬佩,以其严谨、求实的科学风范赢得了人们的敬重,以其和蔼、谦逊的人格魅力赢得了人们的赞誉。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 科学最重要的是严谨,每一个数据都必须准确。他从不满足于坐在办公室批阅文件、审阅技术报告,深入试验和设计现场成了他多年的工作习惯。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “总体气动隐身综合设计”课题研究试验过程中遇到了难题,为选择正确合理的气动布局方案,他亲赴试验现场,和参试人员一起现场分析试验结果,研究试验方案,亲自绘制草图,与大家一起动手改制试验模型部件,并亲自到风洞内进行安装。那是一个炎炎的夏日,低速风洞内的气温高达六十多度,何况还要进行安装修配调试,洞内仿佛就象一个桑拿房,进去便会浑身湿透、热汗淋漓。大家劝他不要进现场,在外面指导就行了,但他执意摇摇头说:“没关系,大家能进去,我也一样,试验才是最重要的。”<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 没有华丽的语言,只有朴实的行动。不光是参试人员倍受鼓舞,就连风洞试验单位的人都深受感动。他们深有感触,象他地位这么高的专家亲临试验现场,这么平易近人,象普通技术员一样,还真少见。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 他有渊博的知识,更有博大的情怀。提起他的为人,合作单位都<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 竖起拇指。作为国内气动布局的著名专家,李天是多个国家和航空大型重要课题的总负责人,但他丝毫没有架子。充分调动起各参研单位的积极性,使整个课题组成为一个有战斗力的团队,是他的目标与期盼。许多参研单位在他的指导下,在课题研究诸多方面均有所创新和突破,多次获得国家和原航空部的的科技进步奖。他宽容、正直、谦和,在协作单位中享有很高威信,这是一个科学家不可或缺的品质。“只要工作认真做了,哪怕有错,也不该批评”。与他合作共事的人,非常愿意长期合作,他们喜欢这里浓厚而和谐的学术气氛,也被他的人格魅力深深地吸引。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 渊博的学识、深厚的功底来自于不断学习。平时工作任务重,他就经常利用节假日及休息时间大量查阅国内外资料,不断充实自己,始终跟踪世界航空先进技术的发展趋势,敏锐地捕获和发现新技术方向。他所领导的预先研究工作不断有所创新,他曾发表论文、著作36篇,编写技术报告40余篇,他的文章多次被引用,有的报告还在飞机研制技术领先的国家进行演讲。他曾荣获国家科技进步二等奖一项,原国防科工委科技进步一等奖一项、二等奖二项、三等奖一项,部级一等奖二项、二等奖六项;2001年被总装备部评为预研工作先进个人;曾荣立集团公司一、二等功各两次;2004年6月被总装备部聘为国家重某大基础研究项目专家组组长。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 他把智慧锻造成阶梯,留给后来的攀登者。他惜才、重才、爱才,<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 十分注意年轻同志的培养,注意在工作中发挥他们的积极性,常常给予技术上的指导,思想上的帮助,生活上的关心,使他们热爱航空事业,肯于钻研业务,快速成长。他重视培养团队精神,关心年轻同志的专业发展,他说,飞机设计是集体的事业,一人或几人强不算强,只有集体强才是真正强。一次在出差登机前的短暂时间内,他还向当时的室主任详细了解室内人员的专业发展方向,并根据每个人所学专业和特点进行专业方向的调整,并明确重点研究和突破方向。寥寥数语,却让人真实地感受到他对后备人才培养的殷殷之心。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 作为北京航空航天大学、中国航空研究院的兼职教授、博士生导师,他已培养出博士生7人、硕士生21人,博士后1人、在读博士生5人、硕士生2人,其中大部分学生已经成为所里的专业带头人和科研骨干,有的已走向所级领导岗位,成为航空事业发展的核心力量。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 他总是那么平和、淡漠功利,一次次婉拒了记者的采访,每天上下班仍骑着那早该“下架”的自行车,总是关心地询问年轻人的生活与成长……对于院士的荣誉,他却说:“这不仅仅是对我个人的认可,也是对沈阳飞机设计研究所的认可,更是对航空事业高技术的认可。荣誉并不重要,重要的是人要有一种精神,要为科学事业扎扎实实做点工作。”<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 航空科学研究之路坎坷而漫长,李天从踌躇满志的清华学子到雪染双鬓、年过古稀的渊博学者,历经岁月的磨砺,内心仍然平静而清澈。面对航空高科技的飞速发展,他的思考与探索从未停止,为了航空事业的腾飞,为了广袤的蓝天,他不断前行。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;《军工文化》</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2030368>俄媒:中国L-15已开始出口谈判 潜在采购国十数个&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年09月30日 07:43:28  来源: 东方网 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-09/30/c_12621529.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-09/30/c_12621529.htm</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff> 1.jpg <BR></FONT>中国猎鹰L-15高级教练机<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 据俄罗斯军工新闻网9月28日报道,俄罗斯世界武器贸易分析中心9月27日公布的一份报告预测,俄罗斯雅克-130教练战斗机整体生产数量估计高达500多架,其中200架将满足俄国防部自身需求,大约300架将对外出口,届时将会在世界市场上与中国的L-15、意大利的M-346、英国的“鹰”式、韩国的T-50教练机激烈竞争。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 报告指出,今后4年(2010-2013)世界新型初级和高级喷气式教练机市场无论是在销售数量上还是成交金额上都将会有大幅增长,和此前4年(2006-2009)新型喷气式教练机销售167架、总金额25.15亿美元的规模相比,今后4年的销量预计为383架,价值74.1亿美元。今后这一市场大幅增长的主要原因之一是许多第三世界国家选择大量采购高级教练战斗机,代替昂贵的多功能歼击机。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 俄世界武器贸易分析中心认为,雅克-130教练战斗机的出口前景广阔,主要的潜在采购国、数量和交付期限等情况如下:阿尔及利亚(12-16架,第二批用于替代L-39,预计2015-2025年间供应)、白俄罗斯(6-12架,2015-2020年)、巴西(6-12架,2015-2025年)、委内瑞拉(12-18架,替代中国的K-8教练机,2030-2040年)、越南(6-12架,第二批用于替代L-39,2015-2025年)、加纳(6架,2012-2018年)、印尼(16架,招标,2012-2013年)、约旦(12-16架,2011-2020年)、伊朗(12-16架,2016-2020年,前提是联合国安理会取消制裁)、也门(6-12架,2015-2025年)、哈萨克斯坦(6-12架,2011-2020年)、利比亚(6-12架,第二批预计在2015-2025年间交付)、马来西亚(18-24架,替代英国“鹰”,2025-2030年)、摩洛哥(6-12架,2025-2040年)、叙利亚(24-36架,2011-2020年)、苏丹(6-12架,2025-2030年)、秘鲁(6架,2020-2025年)、泰国(6-12架,替代L-39,2015-2030年)、乌克兰(12-24架,2020-2040年)。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 有些国家虽然有机会拥有雅克-130,但是要么是因为国家军事预算有限,无力购买,主要是非洲和拉美国家,要么是出于政治因素而选择其他国家的教练机。尽管如此,雅克-130的出口潜力仍然非常大,其面向世界市场的营销计划的成功在许多方面归功于它被确定为俄空军基础型教练战斗机。截止到目前为止,雅克-130的出口订单已有30架,其中利比亚6架,越南8架,阿尔及利亚16架,不过俄罗斯和越南的供应合同尚未得到官方确认。俄罗斯日前签署的向利比亚供应价值18亿美元武器的一揽子协议包括6架雅克-130,计划首批2架应在2011年交付,其余4架在2012年供应。雅克-130的近期出口前景将与印尼空军招标采购16架教练机的进展密切相关,目前俄罗斯正在和韩国的T-50、捷克的L-159B进行竞争。与叙利亚的雅克-130供应谈判正在进行之中,今后不排除叙利亚追购的可能。近期拉美地区的采购者可能是委内瑞拉,独联体国家中则是白俄罗斯和哈萨克斯坦。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 俄世界武器贸易分析中心指出,雅克-130在国际市场上的主要竞争对手是意大利的M-346、英国的“鹰”式MK.128/MK.132、韩国的T-50和中国的L-15。意大利空军对M-346的内部需求约为6架,外加9架教练机的优先采购权,在外部市场上已有所进展,在阿联酋(48架)和新加坡(16架)空军教练机采购招标中胜出,但是和阿联酋之间关于签署正式合同的谈判已经失败,双方未能就飞机认证和供应条件达成一致。近期M-346的潜在采购者可能是波兰、希腊、印尼、沙特。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 英国空军对“鹰”Mk.128的内部需求为28架,计划在2010年底前供应完毕。今年7月底英国BAE系统公司和印度斯坦航空有限责任公司在班加罗尔签署了续购一批57架“鹰”MK132的合同,此前两国曾于2004年3月签署一项价值约18亿美元的66架“鹰”式教练机供应合同。近期最有可能的采购者是波兰和法国。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 韩国内部对T-50的需求为82架,其中包括50架T-50初教机、22架TA-50高教战斗机和10架特技飞行表演队使用的T-50B飞机,首批T-50从2005年12月起开始供应,今年6月份第50架初教机已经列装。近期潜在采购者是以色列和伊拉克。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 中国洪都航空工业集团公司已经完成了双座型L-15超音速喷气式初级和高级教练机的研制,开始准备小批量生产,潜在采购国首先是K-8教练机的使用国,主要是埃及、委内瑞拉、巴基斯坦、加纳、苏丹、纳米比亚、赞比亚、津巴布韦、斯里兰卡、玻利维亚、缅甸等。目前中国已经和几个非洲国家展开了L-15供应问题的初步谈判,委内瑞拉也在评估采购L-15的可行性。(来源:东方网)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2042900>41位中国科学院院士和中国工程院院士应邀参加了以“重点型号发展”为主题的科技咨询活动。其中有两院院士顾诵芬、歼十飞机总设计师宋文骢、“飞豹”飞机总设计师陈一坚、K8飞机总设计师石屏等11位在航空工业系统工作的院士,还有“神舟”系列总设计师戚发轫、西工大女教授张立同等在其他科学领域和高等院校工作的30位院士。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 这告诉我们,中国的四代重型歼击机将由沈飞承担;并将汇集全中国目前掌握的最先进的航空技术研制成果来打造;中国下一代战机的建造将采用自己的标准体系。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 大多数军事爱好者都知道,第四代战机仅美国一家搞了出来,美国为保持住它在这方面的优势,不可能将F22隐形战机的技术传授给别国,甚至近距离观看也不允许,可见第四代重型歼击机的军事机密程度之高。其他各国研制同类战机只能根据第四代战机的通用特点并结合自己掌握的最新技术来进行,所以说各国研制的第四代战机会各不相同,会采用本国所掌握的各具特色的标准体系。中国的第四代战机也一定是具有中国标准的东西。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 中国第四代战机的技术突破点<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 众所周知美国F-22战机有五大特征:隐身、超音速巡航、高机动能力和敏捷性、综合化航电系统和良好的可维护性。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 中国在这些领域都进行了研究,并有专业文献发表,代表作品有《第四代发动机不加力超声速巡航性能的研究》、《对第四代战斗机综合航电系统的构想》、《第四代战斗机作战需求研究》等等。这些资料都是公开的研究成果,还有很多技术成果不便公开。譬如国外军事刊物和网站上宣传的中国太行发动机推重比达到9、隐身技术研究取得突破点等,尤其是后者更令人叫绝。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 国内有文献更直截了当地说:“中国航空工业对于飞机隐身技术进行过长时间的研究和试验,在结构设计、材料和涂料的研究方面都取得了很小心伪中医骗子就,完全可以通过努力设计出达到第四代战机要求的隐身战斗机”。要知道中国有了推重比为9的太行改发动机,就可以直接设计出集超音速巡航和高机动性于一身的第四代战机,再加上隐身技术、航电和可维护性上的最新成就,中国第四代战机研究的技术瓶颈已被排除,剩下的就是花费时间整合的问题了。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 中国航空原创的标准规范体系即将形成<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 以前我国研制战机,不是采用俄式标准,就是参照欧美标准,例如歼5、歼6、歼7采用的是俄标准和规范;歼10、歼11B参照的是欧美标准。现在我国经过几十年的技术积累,终于可以自豪地说,我国即将拥有自主原创的标准战机——中国第四代战机。四代机的研制就是分水岭,代表我们民族独特的品牌业已形成,将向全世界宣告航空界又多了一个标准体系,即中国航空特有的标准体系。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>41位中国科学院院士和中国工程院院士应邀参加了以“重点型号发展”为主题的科技咨询活动。其中有两院院士顾 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>十五国风 发表于 2010-10-7 10:31 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2042900&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.2654871384127591 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>国风兄<BR>F-22以前说的是4S,现在多了个维护性,是我国自己的标准吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2047823>印媒:中国五代机项目落后印度 2020年前难实现&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年10月09日 09:56:09  来源: 东方网 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/09/c_12640278.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/09/c_12640278.htm</FONT></A> <BR> 1.jpg <BR>AK-FA战机想象图<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 印度斯坦时报8日报道称,印度五代战机项目正迅速领先于中国利用尖端军事平台增强其空军作战优势的计划。印度国防部长安东尼7日宣布,印度将在一项空前的军事合资项目中,将从俄罗斯购买250-300架联合生产的第五代战机——它相当于美国空军的F-22“猛禽”战机。<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 报道称,印度空军希望能在2017-18年之前引入第五代战机,使本国空军力量实现巨大飞跃。印度有望支付预计300亿美元,以便引入300架第五代战机。<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 报道指出,安东尼在与俄罗斯国防部长谢尔久科夫会面后表示:“印度已经与俄罗斯讨论并解决了所有与第五代战机项目有关的问题。目前,有关该项目的协议已经进入了最后阶段,只剩下一些与技术有关手续需要办理。”<BR> 2.jpg <BR>俄罗斯T-50<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 报道称,俄印政府间军事技术合作委员会第十次会议上,印俄两国已经同意加速双方在联合设计、研发以及生产第五代战机的工作。30吨重的第五代战机是一款可变任务战机,它具有广泛隐身特性以增强在作战过程中的存活性,而且该机还将配备先进航空电子设备、智能武器、高端任务计算机以及360度环境感知系统。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 印度空军上将奈克表示,第五代战机将具备超音速巡航能力,这使它能够在一段时间内持续以超音速飞机,而无需使用耗油量大的再燃装置。第五代战机将会以俄罗斯苏霍伊公司的T-50 PAK-FA战机的设计为基础。<BR> 3.jpg <BR>印度国产LCA的研发进度让人质疑其国产能力<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <STRONG>AK-FA战机是俄罗斯为应对美国第五代战机F-22战机研制出来,其在隐形、气动性能、传感器的精密度及能力、成本、维护及实用性等方面,都可与后者一较高下。</STRONG>F-22“猛禽”战机是惟一现役第五代战机。F-22隐形战机速度快、灵敏度高,并配备有先进传感器。在2006年一场对抗F-15、F-16和F-18的演习中,这款战机创下了241:2的骄人战绩。事实上,与F-22战机对敌的战机,在发现F-22战机的身影之前就已粉身碎骨。前美国空军中校、F-16战机特级飞行员约瑟夫·萨辛哈姆表示:“与F-22对抗就像面对死亡之墙一般。”<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<STRONG> PAK-FA战机与F-22战机的性能参数各有优劣,这与早前侧卫战机和F-15战机之间的关系一般无二。</STRONG>首先,虽然F-22战机的隐身能力更强,但PAK-FA战机高空缠斗能力则更胜一筹。而且,PAK-FA战机还具有更大的武器舱与燃料容量。就作战能力和成本而言,PAK-FA战机更是赢的轻而易举——F-22战机不但造价较高,而且也不易于维修,而据称PAK-FA战机的可维护性较苏-27战机还有所提高。此外,PAK-FA战机成本仅为F-22战机的三分之一,这因为其生产规模较大,即使没有其他国家订购,俄印两国也已决定采购这款战机。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 五角大楼估计,由中国成都及沈阳飞机公司主导的中国的第五代战机项目在2020年之前很难落实。美国国际评估和战略中心高级研究员理查德·费舍尔曾称,中国长期以来一直致力于打造能够与美国F-22及F-35战机相媲美的第五代战机。这种飞机应该具备隐身性能,且配备有先进雷达,还能够在不利用高耗油量加力燃烧室的情况下,实现长时间超音速巡航飞行。他表示,可以肯定的是,中国会面临着诸多技术障碍,而发展具备15吨级推力水平的先进发动机更是一个重要的瓶颈问题。<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 此外,继今年9月,印度与俄罗斯签署股东初步协议以便联合设计并研发一款多用途运输机后,安东尼曾表示印度方面将会购买45架这种由两国联合生产的运输机。(编译:春风)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>激进兄的图,&nbsp;&nbsp;激进兄一直挂在嘴上的“翼头”,这个应该是未来<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>十五国风 发表于 2010-10-7 10:35 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2042910&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.4661836206785104 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>发动机喷口就不隐形。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>发动机喷口就不隐形。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-9 03:16 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2047928&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.12360876959244737 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 刀大,那这种气动呢?</DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2048097>刀版,CD上的贵宾节都不过了,纷纷嚷嚷四代的事,有什么花边给说说么?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>发动机喷口就不隐形。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-9 03:16 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2047928&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9131317575307134 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀大,请问有没有一种既能隐形又能360度矢量的喷口</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2048216><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2048097&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>2909#</FONT></A> <I>clm221</I> </STRONG><BR><BR>基本上不去CD,不过看到兄弟你说的情况,个人分析无非是两种情况,一是空军要定下方向了,北边的急了,这两天通过网络造舆论呢,再不争,就来不及了。这种情况,说明丝带到了突破性的时候了。还有一种情况是南边的在最近出了问题,北边借此机会大举反攻,如果贵宾们过节加班又没有具体的指出南边的问题,第一种情况的可能性大,丝带的好事要临近了。<BR>呵呵,这都是瞎猜哈。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2048263>发表于 2010-10-9 05:27 PM</EM> | <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=55947&amp;page=73&amp;authorid=10900" rel=nofollow><FONT color=#0000ff>者</FONT></A> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2048263>盼望那个气动超牛掰滴大青蛙“呱”滴蹦出来,哪怕就是个外形,也把米帝吓得满裤裆!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2052241>昨天看了7套的防务新观察<BR>听张少将说:英国的无人机“雷神”还处于雷人阶段<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 日本的自研四代机“心神”是心神不宁<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 等2020年我们的四代机出来了,对T50我有很多话要说<BR>张将军很幽默,现场气氛很活跃<BR>听的俺一愣一愣的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2052246><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2052241&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>2915#</FONT></A> <I>blue3502</I> </STRONG><BR><BR>对T50的评价不高。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2052271>发表于 2010-10-11 07:59 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2052271>俺看着T50像是个发育不全的早产儿</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀大,那这种气动呢?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>十五国风 发表于 2010-10-9 04:18 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2048059&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.370992846518154 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>国风兄:<BR>你的图上那架飞机的前翼那么巨大,完全遮蔽了飞行员向下和周围的视野,别说格斗,就是降落也很困难。<BR>飞行员在空中有一种骑在马上的感觉,视野非常开阔,周围几乎没有任何遮蔽。我们常常看见飞行员略微歪一下头,就是观察下面的情况。<BR>所以,我认为这个气动是不可能的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2052287>俄公开T-50近距图<BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/11/c_12647502.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/11/c_12647502.htm</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2052858>张召忠的话也就算一家之言吧;<BR>F35目前看来,等日本成军---没准还真坐不了亚洲第一。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2052863>张教授说,印度那个计划是250&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>先买250架飞机<BR>再,以前他说去印度,也讲空调的事</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2052966>俺觉得:张教授海军出生,不懂空军;要不就是有意受命忽悠。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2053237>中国新一代高教机更换新发动机 飞行机动性更强<BR>来源:新华网 作者:陈春园 2010年10月12日07:26我来说两句(0)复制链接打印大中小大中小大中小 <BR><A href="http://mil.news.sohu.com/20101012/n275550418.shtml" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://mil.news.sohu.com/20101012/n275550418.shtml</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp; 1.jpg <BR>资料图:国产L-15猎鹰高级教练机机动飞行表演。 <BR><BR>  新华网南昌电:中航工业洪都集团总工程师张弘11日透露,中国第6架L15高级教练机有望本月试飞。<BR><BR>  张弘介绍说,洪都集团L15高级教练机项目从正式启动到现在已7年。2006年3月13日,猎鹰L15高级教练机第1架样机在洪都集团问世,成为中国自主研制的新一代高级教练机。洪都集团今年生产的第6架教练机,计划在本月试飞。试飞成功后,很快可以投入批量生产。<BR><BR>  据了解,第6架猎鹰L15高级教练机属于战斗入门型高级教练机。与以往机型相比,外形有所变化,加长了机头,换装了加力型发动机,具有更强的飞行机动性。<BR>----------<BR>俺很喜欢听张教授讲课。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>国风兄:<BR>你的图上那架飞机的前翼那么巨大,完全遮蔽了飞行员向下和周围的视野,别说格斗,就是降落也很 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-11 07:59 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2052275&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.27875762334988085 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>谢刀大解读!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>张同志很强调4代的隐身性<BR>估计我国4代的隐身性比较有保障<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>marx 发表于 2010-10-11 11:28 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2052885&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.24386957388433977 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>四代机最主要的特征就是隐身,我原来有个帖子是说四代的技术指标谁说了算的帖子,就提到,研发部门提出的困难,军方是不予理会的,四代,必须首先是隐身的。这个帖子沉下去很久了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>四代机最主要的特征就是隐身,我原来有个帖子是说四代的技术指标谁说了算的帖子,就提到,研发部门提出的 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-13 12:16 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2055373&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5519710237522948 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 很久之前看了一个专家说,隐身性是唯一的硬指标,其他的都是软指标<BR>我就有点担心4代在气动上或者其他方面有所妥协<BR>之前看过一个帖子,就是分析鸭翼可拆卸的讨论 需要隐身性的时候就拆了,不需要的时候就装上<BR>不知道可行性如何<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>四代机最主要的特征就是隐身,我原来有个帖子是说四代的技术指标谁说了算的帖子,就提到,研发部门提出的 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-13 12:16 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2055373&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.764670859450258 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>防务新观察张教授说 四代机隐身和超音速巡航都 不重要了,貌似三代机配上雷达通信网络 就可以代替四代机了,俺是 一头雾水。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2056671><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 roadyangjian 于 2010-10-13 04:53 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>咱的四代RCS 据说是 0.3 左右,比22 的&nbsp;&nbsp;0.1 大点。。。。有些差距。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>咱的四代RCS 据说是 0.3 左右,比22 的&nbsp;&nbsp;0.1 大点。。。。有些差距。。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>roadyangjian 发表于 2010-10-13 04:52 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2056671&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.31918678528584865 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 谁说的呢?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2056920><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2056868&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>2937#</FONT></A> <I>qqsunfaye</I>&nbsp;</STRONG><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 爬一下当铺,江山等老大的贴子。你不难得到这样的结论。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=116549" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>无形</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2059702>发表于 2010-10-14 11:05 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>四代机最主要的特征就是隐身,我原来有个帖子是说四代的技术指标谁说了算的帖子,就提到,研发部门提出的 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-13 12:16 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2055373&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7738400895283569 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>四代机的性能:究竟谁是拍板的老大?<BR><A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=24563&amp;extra=page%3D2%26amp%3Bfilter%3Ddigest" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.xhclub.net/forum/view ... p%3Bfilter%3Ddigest</FONT></A><BR>呵呵再捞起来,刀大的贴子不过时,再读来还是受益很多</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2059798>四代战斗机是一种“只能我打你,你打不了我”的武器系统,做到这一点,当然隐身是最主要的。<BR>真的做到隐身,飞机的速度和超机动性就没有必要搞的很“极限”,如果搞的很极限,说明对隐身还是不放心。<BR>试想,真的完全隐身了,真的溶化在一片蓝天里,与空气一样无形无se无wei,隐身战斗机的其他三个S就没有必要了。所以,中国军队一向称隐身战斗机为“低可探测战斗机”。<BR>我认为,中国的四代机,恐怕是更加注重隐身,只有突出这个优势,才能掩饰其他三S的不足。幻想现在就有F119这样的发动机是不现实的,怎么办?只有在隐身上下功夫,所以,现在说中国的四代机在隐身上就一定不如美国,恐怕为时过早!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2059826><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2059798&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>2940#</FONT></A> <I>刀口</I>&nbsp;</STRONG><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 从这个角度上来讲,四代战的核心是隐身性。<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 而俄毛的T50是牺牲了隐身性来确保机动性,那岂不是舍本求末,<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 那T50不是说只能算3.8或3.9代战机吗?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2060775>呵呵,刀版扒22的裤衩,到现在是越来越多的消息渠道证实了!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>四代战斗机是一种“只能我打你,你打不了我”的武器系统,做到这一点,当然隐身是最主要的。<BR>真的做到隐身 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-14 11:59 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2059798&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8355756991622555 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>请大家注意看,咱们丝带的研制指导思想,刀版都一层层给透露的差不多了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2060857>发表于 2010-10-15 01:18 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2060857><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2059826&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>2941#</FONT></A> <I>Skywalker007</I> </STRONG><BR><BR>据说毛子采用等离子隐身技术,这种隐身技术对飞机外形等布局要求不同。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2060959>等离子隐身技术,不看好。。。<BR>不过,这个倒是全向隐身。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2060967>现在已经服役和退役的隐身鸡基本都是前向隐身,侧向、后向就大打折扣了。。。<BR>如果解决了电力问题,卫星上装个雷达,那就彻底走光了。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2064962>发表于 2010-10-18 08:39 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2064962>F117隐身能力不差,双向数据链其实也不是技术瓶颈,<BR>还有预警机做为后援,为什么退役了。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2065142>发表于 2010-10-18 10:09 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2065142><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 美帝 于 2010-10-18 10:17 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>因为隐不了身了,奶奶的,在南联盟被打下来了,ku cha 被扒了,露着小JJ,怪丢人的,还是找地趴着吧。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2065225>发表于 2010-10-18 10:57 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>F117隐身能力不差,双向数据链其实也不是技术瓶颈,<BR>还有预警机做为后援,为什么退役了。。。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>clm221 发表于 2010-10-18 08:39 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2064962&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>第一代隐身机肯定还是有问题,话说回来,美国也不透明啊!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2066481>发表于 2010-10-18 09:26 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>第一代隐身机肯定还是有问题,话说回来,美国也不透明啊!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-18 10:57 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2065225&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>F117公布出来的是因为机动性能、维护性退役的,曾试图用电子自动化技术加以改进,但工程上实在头疼,而且娘胎里带的,怎么改曾志伟也难成姚明<BR>还有刀版说的对,老米的透明度很多是带有战略欺骗成分的,不可全信。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2067149>发表于 2010-10-19 08:40 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2067149>现今雷达技术和卫星侦查、跟踪技术的发展,感觉所谓的四代鸡前景很不乐观啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2067150><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 Lren 于 2010-10-19 08:43 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>现有隐身技术也是很脆弱的,<BR>一旦真的被某项技术破了身,那个20亿米刀一架的逼2,不是很悲剧么;</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2067799>K8教练机外销创单月交付数量最多纪录&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年10月19日 11:36:09  来源: 中国航空报 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/19/c_12675893.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/19/c_12675893.htm</FONT></A><BR><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp; 1.jpg <BR>出口巴基斯坦的K8机群。洪都供图 <BR><BR>  连日来,中航工业洪都顺利向海外用户交付了23架K8外贸机,为海外用户后续采购K8飞机打下了良好的基础。<BR>  10月13日,洪都公司为巴基斯坦生产的11架K-8P飞机正式交付给巴国空军。这是巴方采购的27架飞机中的最后一批。在整个交付期间,洪都公司全体交付人员齐心协力、共同努力,顺利实现了国外交付。<BR><BR>  <STRONG>此前的9月24日,洪都公司还在南美某国空军基地向用户正式交付了12架K-8W飞机。</STRONG>这12架飞机是用户采购的18架飞机中的第二批。洪都公司复装交付人员仅用18个工作日就将12架飞机全部复装完成,并在不到一个月时间内完成全部交付、试飞工作。这也创造了K-8外贸机交付历史上单月交付数量最多、交付进度最快的纪录。<BR><BR>  截至目前,K-8飞机已对外出口交付270余架,占据全球中级教练机市场70%以上的份额。(肖卫华 刘雅清)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2068004><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 刀口 于 2010-10-19 02:46 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>F117公布出来的是因为机动性能、维护性退役的,曾试图用电子自动化技术加以改进,但工程上实在头疼,而且 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>clm221 发表于 2010-10-18 09:26 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2066481&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>美国的F22只采购了170多架有几个方面的原因和问题。<BR>其中一项是隐身涂料非常昂贵,而且要经常修补,修补需要手工,每次都要不少人和设备,尾翼的高处也要涂抹,至少要个升降器吧?<BR>我看见过一个图,几个胖大嫂般(美国女人怎么都像油桶)的女军士蹲在22的机翼上拿着抹子提着桶往机翼上抹,就像抹腻子那样的抹(很厚一层哦)。据说一个月一回,真锻炼蹲功。<BR>非但如此,隐身腻子还容易脱落,进入发动机里打坏叶片,那毛病就大了。<BR>美军本来就人手不足,在弄几百个胖大嫂整天弄机翼,费钱费力费时废人手。腻子硬了脱落,就像钢片一样,再把上千万的发动机打坏了,听上去就很恼人。<BR>别忘了,腻子还需要干透了才行啊,作战出勤率就大大降低了,有任务起飞,浑身破破烂烂的岂不成了“叫花鸡”?<BR>令人兴奋的是,我们的隐身腻子过关了,很长时间才抹一回,这就省大事了,而且不脱落,据说是喷上去的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;刀口 <BR>隐身腻子还容易脱落,进入发动机里打坏叶片<BR>------就是这个看似很小问题,却苦恼很长时间,也 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>clm221 发表于 2010-10-19 03:05 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2068060&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.970089499669568 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 美帝涂料的思路出问题,PW的人经常抱怨打坏叶片,哈。UTC发财了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2071757><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 不明真相的酱油 于 2010-10-21 04:29 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR><A href="http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2010-10-21/0917615414.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2010-10-21/0917615414.html</FONT></A><BR>意大利公司宣布愿向中国出售C-27J军用运输机<BR>东方网消息,据俄罗斯军工新闻网报道,意大利芬梅卡尼卡集团公司董事长皮埃尔-弗朗切斯科-瓜尔瓜利尼10月18日宣布,由于美国总统奥巴马认为可以向中国出售C-130运输机,因此芬梅卡尼卡公司也准备向中国推销C-27J军用运输机。<BR>  意大利芬梅卡尼卡公司董事长瓜尔瓜利尼18日表示,作为对美国总统奥巴马建议向中国销售C-130的回应,他希望能够对华供应C-27J战术军用运输机。他说:“中国是我们公司与之有着前景市场联系的国家,如果美国决定可以出售C-130,那么这意味着我们也能向中国销售C-27J。”<BR>  10月8日美国总统建议国会取消对中国出口洛克希德-马丁公司生产的C-130军用运输机的禁令,称取消禁售令符合美国国家利益。意大利芬梅卡尼卡公司董事长瓜尔瓜利尼指出,目前意大利禁止向中国出售C-27J飞机的№185/1990军事出口法案仍然有效。他说:“根据这项法律,我们受到了一定的限制。如果我们消除这些限制,那么中国就可能会成为我们军用产品的市场,否则该国仍将只是我们民用产品的市场。”<BR>  当然,意大利公司领导人的上述声明不应理解为意方准备立即和中方展开飞机供应谈判,因为C-27J是由美国洛克希德-马丁公司和意大利阿列尼亚航天公司共同研制的,借鉴了C-130的研制经验,是C-130的简缩版,使用了相当多数量的类似技术解决方案,主要用于出口,其中包括对美国市场的供应。根据现行国防产品出口规章法案,目前意大利仍然禁止对华军售,只有在该法律废除之后,并且取得欧盟的许可,才有可能恢复对华军用产品供应。不过,意大利公司领导人的声明再次确认,许多欧洲防务公司渴望尽快取消对华军售禁令,尽快进军中国市场。今年10月初中国总理温家宝访问欧洲,在出席中欧峰会时再次呼吁欧盟取消对华军售禁令。中国的这种努力完全可以理解,取消制裁必将为欧洲多数潜在武器销售商打开中国市场,中国则可以得到西方现代化的军事技术,进而提高和完善国产武器研制水平。(编译:书山)<BR><BR>======================<BR>这个消息,不管是谁做出来的,效果是绝对的有了。<BR>大家日子都不好过,都要养家糊口的。不能说你家可以,我家只能光看着。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>F22是神话还是悲剧?脱落是真的。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-19 07:27 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2068593&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5884860893092078 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><FONT size=4>如果从上方看,绝对是杯具啊。。。</FONT><BR> 1.jpg </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;不明真相的酱油 <BR>如果欧盟禁售政策不取消,单干的可能性不大;<BR>况且,双发的C27不是什么紧俏物资啊 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>clm221 发表于 2010-10-21 04:37 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2072245&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.21668849655324557 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 感觉口号大于实际,意大利以前还嚷过要卖武装直升机给中国,也没见啥下文。欧洲和中国合作比较紧密的还是英法德</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2073032>歼10试飞总师:歼10定型试飞实现10个"最"&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年10月21日 17:18:11  来源: 新华军事 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/21/c_12686532.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/21/c_12686532.htm</FONT></A> <BR> 1.jpg <BR>周自全<BR><BR><BR> 2.jpg <BR>资料图片:歼10战机<BR><BR><BR>只为战鹰当空舞 ——记2010年度“何梁何利基金科学与技术进步奖”得主周自全<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 据《中国航空报》报道:金秋十月,艳阳高照,硕果累累,大地到处张扬着金色的诗意。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 这个月,中航工业试飞院高级专务周自全又有了一份别样的收获和喜悦。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 经中国工程院院士、我国飞行力学专家、90岁高龄的陈士橹提名推荐,何梁何利基金评选委员会全体会议评审通过,周自全荣获2010年度“何梁何利基金科学与技术进步奖”。基金会颁发奖牌1枚、奖金20万港币,以表彰他为中国科学技术进步与创新所做的杰出贡献。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; “忆往昔峥嵘岁月稠”,一次次捧起沉甸甸的奖牌,周自全心中几多感激、感恩、感叹、感喟、感知。近半个世纪以来,他怀揣航空报国的拳拳之心,在航空器飞行试验领域不断求索,积淀了厚重的历史和技术经验。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 1964年,周自全以优异的成绩从西北工业大学飞行力学专业毕业,来到试飞院从事飞行试验工作,这一干就是46年。几十年来,他历任专业组长、研究室主任、综合空中飞行模拟试验机总设计师、歼10飞机副总设计师、试飞总师、中航工业飞行仿真重点实验室主任、试飞院副院长、试飞院高级专务。他从一个踌躇满志、热血沸腾的爱国青年一直奋斗到著作等身、功成名就的老专家。但他永远不满足于现状,勇于创新,不断探索,是这位长期奋战在科研试飞一线老专家的工作品质和人生追求。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 试飞是一项科学性、工程性、探索性和风险性极强的系统工程。它是航空科技和航空工业发展的重要环节,它与飞机设计和制造一道构成了航空发展的三大支柱。<STRONG>现代飞机的试飞周期占型号研制周期的一半以上,加上技术验证和攻关试飞,试飞伴随着型号研制的全过程</STRONG>。试飞专业几乎涵盖了所有航空专业。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 2003年年底,我国首次研制的全新理念数字电传式战机——歼10飞机圆满完成定型试飞。消息传到北京,党和国家领导人发来热情洋溢的贺词,这架飞机牵动着共和国领袖的心。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 作为歼10飞机副总设计师、试飞总师,周自全在其中付出了常人难以想象的艰辛和汗水。在试飞中,周自全以深厚的技术功底铸造了歼10飞机一个又一个神话。他通过科学的顶层设计和试飞方法、测试监控、数据处理、维修保障、试飞驾驶等技术创新,确保了试飞安全和效率,使我国试飞技术实现了由第二代向第三代的全面跨越,达到国际先进水平。歼10试飞开创的新技术已广泛用于其他新机试飞。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 在他和试飞团队的努力下,歼10试飞从未发生任何等级事故,试飞周期短于国外同类试飞平均周期2年。专家鉴定:“歼10试飞是一项复杂的系统工程,其试飞技术达到了国际先进水平,是中国试飞技术发展的重要里程碑。”<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 在周自全看来,歼10飞机定型试飞实现了一系列之“最”:<STRONG>试飞架次最多,问题遗留给用户最少,试飞考核内容最新、最全,试飞包线和试飞风险最大,武器实弹投射种类和数量最多,机载测试和地面监控参数最多,试飞效率最高,试飞安全性最好,试飞实力的增长最显著</STRONG>。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 2006年,歼10飞机工程获国家科技进步奖特等奖,周自全和他的试飞团队得到了人们的认可和褒扬。<BR><BR><STRONG>变稳飞机</STRONG>,<FONT color=red>即飞机动态特性可以大范围改变的试验飞机,又称空中飞行模拟器。通过特殊控制系统的大范围调参,飞机可在空中模拟各种新机的动态特性,是研究飞行品质、飞控技术和培训试飞员的重要手段,被誉为“飞行力学研究的革命”。</FONT><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 在我国,周自全最早从事变稳技术研究,作为总设计师,周自全先后主持研制BW-1变稳飞机和综合空中飞行模拟试验机。BW-1变稳飞机是我国第一架单自由度大范围可变动特性的试验研究机,是一个高难度、高风险、技术复杂、综合性强的多学科研究项目,所采用的数字式、全权限电传变稳操纵系统和数字显示系统等多项技术均属国内首创。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 周自全主持研制的综合空中飞行模拟试验机,是具有三自由度全时、全权、数字式变稳控制系统的空中动力试验室。该机的研制成功,为我国新型飞机的试飞验证和培训高水平的新机试飞员做出了突出贡献。目前,国际上只有美、俄、德等少数发达国家拥有这一技术。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; <STRONG>凭借着技术前端性和先进性,1991年,变稳飞机获国家科技进步奖一等奖;2001年,综合空中飞行模拟试验机获国家科技进步奖二等奖。</STRONG><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 作为第三代战斗机试飞技术负责人,周自全从1980年开始致力于电传操纵试飞技术研究,通过地面和空中飞行模拟,结合型号试飞,使人机闭环飞行品质、大迎角、气动伺服弹性等多项试飞技术达到世界先进水平,为我国现代飞机试飞奠定了技术基础。该项目2007年获国家科技进步奖二等奖。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 地面飞行模拟是航空技术发展的重要手段。作为第一任中航工业飞行仿真航空科技重点实验室主任,周自全参与和组织了十多种飞行模拟器研制和应用,创造了多项全国“第一”:全国第一台飞行模拟器和飞控“铁鸟台”、第一个大球幕空战模拟器、第一台采用计算机成像技术的飞行模拟器、第一台集飞控和航电于一体的现代飞行模拟器等,为支持试飞和飞行模拟技术发展做出了突出贡献。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 46年来,周自全编写了大量科技报告,撰写和出版专著5部、论文20余篇,培养硕士研究生30余名。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 46年来,他先后去美、俄、德、法、英等国进行国际学术交流和技术合作20余次,发表国际和海峡两岸学术交流论文7篇。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 46年来,他荣获省部级以上科技进步奖十几项,省部级以上立功6次,其中一等功5次。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 46年来,他多次荣获省部以上荣誉称号,包括全国国防科技劳模、国家级有突出贡献专家、航空金奖、航空报国杰出贡献奖、全国五一劳动奖章等等。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 站在领奖台上,周自全说,试飞是一个很大的系统工程,试飞是一个集体的事业,“何梁何利奖”的获得,是对航空试飞人的认可和激励。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 针对航空试飞前景,周自全认为,进入21世纪,随着我国国防现代化建设的快速发展,未来新研飞机的试飞技术要求将越来越高,科研试飞任务将更加繁重,这就需要我们不断烘托专业氛围,提高科研试飞水平,向着打造世界一流试飞机构的宏伟目标奋勇前行!<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 46年岁月如歌,半世纪风雨征程。周自全用自己对祖国航空事业的忠诚和热爱谱写了一首首蓝天畅想曲。遥望寰宇,雄伟战鹰当空舞,那一道道战鹰航迹,就是他最浓重和闪亮的人生笔墨。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 周自全,再一次证明了航空工业的不平凡。(《中国航空报》/张文俊)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>感觉口号大于实际,意大利以前还嚷过要卖武装直升机给中国,也没见啥下文。欧洲和中国合作比较紧 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>at000m 发表于 2010-10-21 05:30 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2072424&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7634141286031837 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 是口号还是表态。日后自见分晓。我倾向于表态。这个表态还不是一般的随便说说。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;既然美媒先出声,这边欧盟各家怎么做,心头自有分寸。这厢也不过是意大利的某公司自己的行为。呵呵。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;当年尼克松访华,不知忽悠了多少不明真相的群众。商人就是商人,没那么多什么社会责任。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2073383>吃猪肉未必买整猪!欧美在技术上卡的很严,部件可以换个面目买到。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>美国的F22只采购了170多架有几个方面的原因和问题。<BR>其中一项是隐身涂料非常昂贵,而且要经常修补,修补 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-19 02:43 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2068004&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.865767765616416 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>鸡东,抖,太给力了...</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2073454>发表于 2010-10-22 10:19 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>鸡东,抖,太给力了...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>数字化渔民 发表于 2010-10-22 09:42 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2073388&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.1142381374040477 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>F22的隐身涂料是“碳基复合材料”,简单说就是用木头渣子做成泥巴把飞机糊起来,这样就可以起到“吸波”作用,再把飞机做的有棱有角,散射雷达回波不回到对方的照射雷达上,这就是隐身的秘密。<BR>其实,一般的作战飞机,比如美军,每次攻击都有大量的电子攻击机打头阵,软硬杀伤,效果与F22隐身的效果是一样的,反正都是让你看不见。所以,算过来这个帐,有没有隐身机都差不多。<BR>我们看见的咆哮虫子AF18,带6台干扰机,加上反辐射弹,中国的咆哮豹带四台干扰机,也带反辐射弹,加上运八特种机,压制的效果都非常厉害。<BR>当然,隐身机的作用也是不可替代的,少量隐身机可以形成突然性,这是大机群做不到的。这时的隐身机起到的是“杀手”作用,不易觉察的攻击你的核心目标。<BR>真正大打起来,隐身机的作用就降低了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2073594>发表于 2010-10-22 11:06 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>F22的隐身涂料是“碳基复合材料”,简单说就是用木头渣子做成泥巴把飞机糊起来,这样就可以起到“吸波”作 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-22 10:19 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2073454&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3015359934067493 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀哥,这个材料很给力,但更给力的是背后用这些材料的东东。。。<BR><BR>激动啊!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2073612>刀哥说的这个电子压制厉害了,机群自然就隐形了,有新意!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2073648>对啊,吃鸡蛋的不一定非要是养鸡的人。<BR>我见过的例子就是:车床。同样是车床,有的就是车个螺丝螺杆,有的就很大很大,以至于开这个车床的人说起那玩意,总要蹦出这个词:数字加工中心,前面总带着“我那台”。那牛X劲,比娶了四大美人当老婆都来劲。<BR>嗯,好像是进口货。94年的产品吧。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2075191>发表于 2010-10-23 02:02 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2075191><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 Lren 于 2010-10-23 02:03 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>今年夏天,12名院士100多名专家,聚会北京北部一处,<BR>处心积虑研讨空间太阳能电站的必要性和可能性。。。<BR>大的暂时困难先搞小的试试嘛。。。<BR>高调提出----警惕这玩意被用于军事领域!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=131220" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>at000m</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2076227>发表于 2010-10-23 06:52 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2076227><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 at000m 于 2010-10-23 06:53 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>是口号还是表态。日后自见分晓。我倾向于表态。这个表态还不是一般的随便说说。<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;既然美媒先出 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>不明真相的酱油 发表于 2010-10-22 09:09 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2073350&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7482587010804704 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>这和当初尼克松还不太一样,那次主要是战略问题,这次主要是利益问题<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;如果C-130的口子放开了,美国就没有理由阻挠欧盟解除对华军事禁售<BR>意大利这是虚中有实,但主要还是虚的,先表个态度,明知不可为而为之<BR>美国现在可能同意欧盟解除对华军事禁售嘛?基本不可能<BR>这也算是欧洲给美国提了个醒:你要卖给中国装备,为啥还要禁止我卖呢?有好处要么两家都占要么都别要</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2076251>再说个个人看法<BR>从地理上来说欧盟是最适合做中国盟友的,地缘冲突基本没有,比之美俄,中欧的利益纠葛要少得多<BR>现在的世界格局是后冷战格局,欧美的盟友关系纽带早已不像二战和冷战时那么重要和无可或缺<BR>没有永远的敌人和朋友,只有永远的利益<BR>假以时日,欧洲和中国联手把美国从全球战略的制高点拉下来也不是不可能</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2076301>济空航空兵某团常态化警巡练快反 <BR> 1.jpg <BR>“呜——”10月16号上午,凄厉的警报在济空航空兵某团响起。“双机一等”,指挥所命令突至。随即,各类人员急奔战位,双机编队随即升空迎“敌”。 中国军事图片中心 杨存、特约记者崔文斌摄影报道</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2077699>刚看了~~~<BR>军事科学院的那位说期待出现~~~<BR>估计潜台词就是会来<BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2078001>关于说美国要启用螺旋桨飞机反恐,说高级的飞机不好用。这叫什么事啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>关于说美国要启用螺旋桨飞机反恐,说高级的飞机不好用。这叫什么事啊<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>不明真相的酱油 发表于 2010-10-24 11:14 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2078001&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.26448198473930506 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>主要是便宜,使用条件要求低。现在的螺旋桨飞机不是二战时期时期可比的,性能好,载弹量大,电子设备先进,射击精确度高,投弹也准。<BR>加上对手没有肩扛式导弹,所以好用。<BR>像F16和18每小时的使用费是几十万美元,螺旋桨才几千美元。而在阿富汗使用效果差不多,螺旋桨飞机草地就可以起飞,可以前沿部署,更靠近部队。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<>俄罗斯空军未来十年发展动向&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年10月25日 07:32:22  来源: 解放军报 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR><FONT color=teal>日前,俄罗斯空军总司令泽林上将表示,不管在过去、现在还是将来,空军一直都是能在任何地理位置、地形、气象条件下,全天候全时辰遂行战斗任务的独立军种。近期空军建设的主要目标是质量建军,打造一支能成为国家空天防御系统基础的全新军种,和其他军种协同,确保平时遏制潜在侵略者,战时反击武装入侵。这种作战任务的广度和深度决定了空军必须拥有独一无二的武器装备体系。空军必须大量换装新型航空装备。据了解,未来10年,俄空军装备面貌将发生彻头彻尾的改变。</FONT><BR>多年来,俄空军战斗部队得到的新型装备极少。而在过去的两年间,情况发生了较大变化:俄空军签署了130架战机供应合同,新型飞机和直升机开始大量装备部队,今年就应有70多架。<BR><BR>这只是一个前奏,俄空军的大手笔是,计划在2020年前,装备大约2000架新型、改进型飞机和直升机,500多架无人机,最终实现现代化航空装备更新率不低于80%的目标。<BR> 1.jpg </P>
<>苏-35S歼击机。<BR><BR><STRONG>战斗机:追求隐形快速和火力确保夺取制空权</STRONG><BR>去年,俄空军得到3架米格-29SMT和米格-29UB,近20年来首次装备新型米格歼击机,另有两架新型苏霍伊飞机。去年12月,利佩茨克飞行训练中心也得到两架苏-34前线轰炸机,而且不计在空军32架苏-34采购合同之列。<BR><BR>苏-34长23.3米,翼展14.7米,高6米,使用两台AL-31F发动机,最大起飞重量45吨,最大战斗载荷8吨,实用升限1.7万米,高空最大时速1900公里,作战半径1100公里,航程4000公里。使用新型材料、航电设备、数字化指挥系统和空中加油系统。配备1门30毫米航炮。12个挂点,可携载各种空地、空舰、空空导弹和航空制导炸弹。可短距离起降,可在敌方火力对抗下机动飞行、精确发射,速度快,航程远,火力猛,用途广,可长时间远程奔袭,全天候、全时辰有效杀伤地面、地下和水面目标,可用作中型战略轰炸机。<BR><BR>最受瞩目的换装项目是在2015年前为空军供应64架新型苏式战机,包括48架苏-35S多功能歼击机、12架改进型苏-27SM和4架苏-30M2歼击机,其中后两种战机应在明年交付完毕。<BR><BR>苏-35是苏-27的深入发展型号,采用第5代战机技术,配备新型航电系统、数字信息指挥系统和相控阵天线雷达。可同时跟踪30个空中目标并攻击其中的8个;可同时跟踪4个地面目标并攻击其中的2个,性能先进,优势明显。使用寿命6000个飞行小时,服役期限30年。它长22.18米,翼展14.7米,高6.43米,使用AL-31FM推力矢量发动机,最大起飞重量34吨,最大战斗载荷8吨。实用升限1.8万米,高空最大时速2500公里,实用航程4000公里,一次空中加油后航程可达6300公里,作战半径1600公里。配备1门30毫米航炮。12个挂点,可携载各型空空导弹、格斗导弹、航空制导炸弹和无控火箭弹。<BR><BR> 2.jpg </P>
<>俄罗斯五代机T-50。<BR><BR>俄空军特别重视远景战机的研制和采购,特别是第5代歼击机和战略轰炸机,其中代号T-50或“701产品”的新型战斗机已于今年1月29日首飞,6月17日顺利完成第一阶段16次试飞任务,重点评估了飞机的稳定性、可控性、发动机和主要系统性能、飞行速度和高度等参数,年底前还将有两架样机参与试飞。2013年将少量生产用于机载武器的试验,2015年开始量产和列装,目前计划采购60多架,替换现役米格-29和苏-27战机。<BR><BR>T-50的相关信息现在仍被俄军高度保密,但是随着试验的不断深入,其飞行和技术战术性能逐步曝光。从俄官方透露的内容和公开资料来看,T-50性能先进,机动性强,隐形程度高,速度快,火力猛,操作简单,能确保夺取制空权,生产和维护费用低,完全符合俄军对新一代歼击机的要求。<BR><BR>据推测,T-50使用集成机身,采用标准气动布局,长20米,翼展14米,高4.8米,单座,空重17.5吨。暂时使用两台推力各15吨的AL-41F1推力矢量发动机,标准起飞重量30.61吨,最大起飞重量35.48吨,载油量11.1吨,战斗载荷10吨。高空最大时速2600公里,无加力最大时速2100公里,实用航程4300公里,续航时间5.8个小时,实用升限2万米。<BR><BR>它配备全新的现代航电系统、自动操纵系统和数字通信系统,能和地面指挥系统或在航空编队内部实现实时数据交换。人工智能化水平较高,能大幅降低飞行员工作负荷,提高战斗效能。预计配备1门近战用GSH-301型30毫米航炮。武器挂点:舱内最多10个,舱外8个,可携载各型空空、空地导弹和航空制导炸弹,共有14类弹药可以选择。机载相控阵天线雷达最大搜索距离400公里,可在干扰条件下自动锁定目标,可同时跟踪30个空中目标和4个地面目标并攻击其中的8个。<BR><BR> 3.jpg </P>
<>安-124重型军事运输机。<BR><BR><STRONG>运输机:力求全天候全时辰遂行军事运输任务</STRONG><BR>今后10年,俄军事运输航空兵也要大量补充新型飞机,尽管现役伊尔-76、安-22至少在今后20-30年内仍将是主力运输机型,但是远景航空运输系统现已列入换装计划,到2015年前将近四分之一的军事运输机要更新,20架安-124重型军事运输机的订单也已纳入2020年前国家武器装备采购计划。<BR><BR>安-124是世界上尺寸最大、载重量最大的运输机,货舱体积1160立方米,起飞重量392吨,最大载荷120吨,改进型号最大载荷可达150吨,满载最大航程4650公里,空载最大航程14200公里,飞行时速800-850公里,能全天候全时辰遂行军事运输任务。<BR><BR>为满足新型运输机换装需求,俄空军计划批量装备伊尔-476飞机。虽然它是伊尔-76的现代化改进型号,外形酷似,但在技战术性能上却是全新产品,而且是俄军第一种完全根据无纸技术制造的运输机,从设计、研制到量产全部实现计算机化和数字化。<BR><BR>伊尔-476使用新型机翼、航电设备和PS-90A-76发动机,时速可达850公里,可运输50吨物资,航程6000公里。首架伊尔-476将于明年底出厂并试飞。首批量产型将从2012年起认证和供应,计划在2020年前采购运输型和加油型共50架,国家订单总量有望达到128架,主要用于替代现役旧式伊尔系列运输机。<BR><BR>轻型和中型军事运输机的研发和装备同样是优先换装方向,研制中的伊尔-112V新一代军事运输机性能更先进,运输能力和空降轻型武器及军事装备的能力更强,能在任何地形、气候、气象条件下昼夜遂行各类人员、装备、物资运输任务。首架原型机预计明年1-2月份试飞,使用寿命可达4.5万个飞行小时,服役期限35年,主要用于替代安-26飞机。<BR><BR>伊尔-112V长23.49米,高8.9米,翼展25.74米,载重量6吨,标准起飞重量20.4吨,最大时速580公里,满载实用航程1000公里,载重3.5吨时航程3400公里。<BR><BR> 4.jpg </P>
<>米-28N武装攻击直升机。<BR><BR><STRONG>直升机:确保在复杂战术环境下杀伤敌方目标</STRONG><BR>为了替代现役主力攻击直升机米-24V(P),俄空军研制并开始装备新一代武装直升机米-28N和卡-52,确保在任何地形、气象条件下全天候全时辰战斗使用,保证在复杂战术环境下有选择性地杀伤敌方目标。去年首批米-28N直升机已经装备部队,首支米-28N中队已形成昼间简单气象条件下遂行任务的战斗力。<BR><BR>米-28N使用新型高强度合成材料,发动机、座舱和燃料箱都有装甲防护,能承受20-30毫米口径炮弹的打击,能在超低空飞行时自动规避地形,战场生存能力较强。它最大时速324公里,静态升限4000米,动态升限5700米,实用航程450公里。配备30毫米2A42型航炮、“冲锋”反坦克导弹和各型无控火箭弹,速度快,隐形能力强,杀伤兵器多,火力威猛,能有效杀伤敌方装甲设备、地面掩体、有生力量和空中低速目标,能随时在各种气象条件下为陆军提供火力支援。<BR><BR>卡-52攻击直升机现在仍处于国家联合试验阶段,根据初步试验结果定型的样品机正在制造之中,首批量产型卡-52已于今年3月装备托尔日卡飞行训练中心,计划从明年起批量列装部队。其最大时速310公里,航程520公里,静态升限4000米,实用升限5500米,战斗载荷2.8吨。配备30毫米2A42型航炮,弹药基数460发。4个挂点,可携载12枚“旋风”反坦克导弹或4枚“针-V”空空导弹或80毫米无控火箭弹。卡-52不仅能遂行战斗任务,也能遂行特种任务,如传输战区战术形势信息和侦察情报等,既能作为作战直升机全天候全时辰作战,也能用作陆航兵指挥所和侦察机,保障空中侦察、目标分配、高精目标指示,保持和地面、空中指挥所不间断的联系,大幅提高直升机编队和地面战斗群的行动效能,还能用作教练直升机,培训飞行员。<BR><BR>为完善直升机飞行员训练体系,空军还从去年起开始装备“安萨特-U”轻型初级教练机,用作旋翼直升机教练机。(宋书杰 朱后增)</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>F22的隐身涂料是“碳基复合材料”,简单说就是用木头渣子做成泥巴把飞机糊起来,这样就可以起到“吸波”作 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-22 10:19 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2073454&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 老刀的解释的概念就是简单,质朴,用通俗的话把道理讲透,看着带劲儿!比那些把简单问题复杂化来骗钱的装B专家教授强太多了。赞一个!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>主要是便宜,使用条件要求低。现在的螺旋桨飞机不是二战时期时期可比的,性能好,载弹量大,电子设备先进 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-24 11:35 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2078036&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>除了C130外,还有什么机种可以用的?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2081318>刀版,这四代鸡里有战略轰炸滴么<BR>就像B2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>胖大嫂抹泥巴的图没找到<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>言刈其楚 发表于 2010-10-25 10:34 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2078545&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>确实有,我给搞丢了,真是可惜。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀版,这四代鸡里有战略轰炸滴么<BR>就像B2<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>clm221 发表于 2010-10-26 05:48 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2081318&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8745136564077409 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>B2这样的我们暂时不需要,有所为有所不为,B2美国也只有十几架,摔一架就是几亿美元。美元什么大用。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2081693>发表于 2010-10-26 08:33 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>憋不住了,想问问四代的事,看各个论坛静的诡异。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>dgzh 发表于 2010-10-26 07:54 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2081628&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.14022714627528454 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>最近保密工作抓的极严,真正搞这个的谁也不敢说。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>最近保密工作抓的极严,真正搞这个的谁也不敢说。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-26 08:33 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2081693&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8000560954407805 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 我领会了,谢谢刀大。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2082084><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2081693&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3002#</FONT></A> <I>刀口</I> </STRONG><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 这事由眉目了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2082253>国产新型战机复合材料瓶颈:碳纤维技术落后&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年10月27日 07:44:51  来源: 中国质量报 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/27/c_12704659_2.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/27/c_12704659_2.htm</FONT></A> <BR><BR>10月1日18时59分57秒,嫦娥二号成功升空,历经多重风险,顺利进入轨道。然而,鲜为人知的是,<STRONG>由于使用了高性能的碳复合材料</STRONG>,嫦娥二号的“体重”瘦下去300克,为奔月奠定了更好的条件。可以说,这其中凝结了许多复合材料专家学者的智慧和汗水,<STRONG>也展示了我国复合材料工业在航空领域的不断进步。</STRONG><BR><BR>L-15“猎鹰”机头罩、方向舵等数个大部件已采用国产高性能复合材料。<BR><BR>技术集成能力不断进步<BR><BR>“卫星的减重以克计算,如果卫星自重可以减轻一些,那么卫星可能多带一个相机或望远镜,也可以多完成一些使命。”哈尔滨玻璃钢研究院高级工程师匡乃航介绍说。<BR><BR>资料显示,碳纤维具有高强度、高模量、耐高温、耐腐蚀、耐疲劳、抗蠕变、导电、传热等特性,属典型的高新技术产品。由碳纤维和树脂结合而成的复合材料,由于其比重小、韧性好和强度高而成为一种先进的航空航天材料。航天飞行器的重量每减少1公斤,就可使运载火箭减轻500公斤。因此,在航空航天工业中普遍采用先进的碳纤维复合材料。<BR><BR>据介绍,嫦娥二号定向天线的重要支撑部分——定向天线展开臂,便是由哈尔滨玻璃钢研究院研发的,由碳复合材料制成,总重量仅500余克,较使用铝合金材质减轻近300克,但承重能力毫不逊色于铝合金材料构件。<BR><BR>事实上,除了在航天领域,在民用和军用航空领域,我国碳纤维复合材料工业企业立足于从原料、技术、设备的全面国产化,大大提高了我国碳纤维领域的自主创新和技术集成能力。<BR><BR>河南煤业化工集团拥有PAN基T300高性能碳纤维完整的知识产权体系,全面实现军用碳纤维的国产化,对于打破国外对高性能碳纤维的垄断和对我国的技术封锁具有重要的战略意义;哈尔滨天顺化工科技开发有限公司是一家典型的高新技术企业,它在不长的时间内就攻克了高性能碳纤维材料的关键技术,中试产品达到了世界同类产品的先进水平,具有十分广阔的市场空间和应用价值;<BR><BR>而江西省国防科工办日前也宣布,由洪都航空工业集团公司研发的国产碳纤维复合材料近日实现首次装机件试制,即将装备猎鹰06高教机,这将大大节约猎鹰复合材料的制造成本。<STRONG>目前,国产碳纤维复合材料已推广至机头罩、方向舵等数个大部件</STRONG>,这些也是即将在猎鹰06上实现装机的部件。<BR><BR><STRONG>高端市场仍需突破</STRONG><BR>尽管近年来国产碳纤维复合材料取得了长足的进步,可是在业内人士看来<BR><BR>,要想追赶世界先进水平,仍需付出努力。<BR><BR>“国内亟待加快开发碳纤维复合材料应用设计和技术解决方案,让高端碳纤维上规模、提性能、降成本。”中国工程院院士杜善义在2010材料科学与防腐蚀技术国际论坛上呼吁。<BR><BR>现任中国复合材料学会理事长、中国商用飞机有限公司专家咨询组成员的杜善义建议,集中科技优势力量组织攻关T800级碳纤,合理部署高端碳纤原材料的国内布点,防止低水平碳纤厂一哄而上;鼓励复合材料设计创新,做到合理高效设计;在部件制造方面,适当购买国外先进设备,攻克关键设备国产化,与下游单位合作,积极开发新工艺、新应用。<BR><BR>一位业内专家告诉记者,目前,全世界碳纤维生产厂家中日本的东丽、东邦和三菱3家公司,代表着目前世界上最先进水平。我国碳纤维的质量、技术和生产规模与国外差距很大,其中高性能碳纤维技术更是被西方国家垄断和封锁。<STRONG>我国虽然经过多年研究和试生产,但至今尚未掌握高性能碳纤维的核心技术。</STRONG>从技术研发到产业化难度更大,因此碳纤维要真正实现国产化需要一个漫长的过程。<BR><BR>杜善义分析说,<STRONG>我国复合材料在航空领域的应用已有一定基础,拥有原材料的优势。</STRONG>在树脂基复合材料的两大原材料树脂和纤维中,树脂方面我国与国外差距不大,<STRONG>而碳纤维研发尚存4大难题</STRONG>。第一,高端碳纤维产业落后。国产碳纤维目前规模虽达万吨级,产量也有数千吨,但只能用在飞机非承力件和次承力件上,而飞机最关键的承力件所需T800级碳纤还停留在实验室数十千克的水平,<STRONG>大飞机应用尚需依靠进口</STRONG>。<BR><BR>国内碳纤维应用技术和解决方案与国外相比差距较大,比如碳纤维设计载荷的合理取法落后,不能体现碳纤维特性。第二,碳纤维复合材料部件的一体化成型技术相对落后,难以制造大尺寸部件。第三,我国自动化工艺如自动铺丝技术等更为落后。第四,国产高性能碳纤维因设备靠进口、生产效率低而价格太高。他强调,国内化工企业要以配套大飞机为突破口,合力解决这4大问题。<BR><BR>杜善义告诉记者:“大型飞机突出强调安全性、经济性、舒适性和环保性,这决定了对复合材料需求的迫切性和必然性。复合材料技术已跃升为大飞机项目3大关键技术之一。”<BR><BR>杜善义认为,复合材料的意义不仅体现在大飞机项目,而是通过复合材料在航空领域的应用,推动其在汽车等其他领域应用水平的全面提高。(中国质量新闻网-中国质量报 罗兵)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;刀口&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 这事由眉目了。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>KG90 发表于 2010-10-27 12:59 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2082084&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9049155648272169 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>绝对有!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2082601>我们的隐身腻子过关了,很长时间才抹一回,这就省大事了,而且不脱落,据说是喷上去的。<BR>那应该是很薄一层了,赞一下</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>最近保密工作抓的极严,真正搞这个的谁也不敢说。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-26 08:33 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2081693&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.514627455064631 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2082619><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2010-10-27 05:05 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>霉菌F-22的可维修性问题大了,F-22的可靠战斗力也问题处处,一花独秀不是春,霉菌一家瞎折腾免不了盲目</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2082628><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2010-10-27 05:03 PM 编辑 </I><BR>呵呵,霉菌现在明白先进性与战斗力并不是划等号的了,拿100万美元的导弹砸100美元的帐篷,当真是有钱催的?——还是战斗适应性第一!没有称手合用的家伙什,只能是高炮打蚊子。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2082832>小鬼子F2出来的时候就说日本碳纤维一体成型技术世界领先,还以为是在吹,没想到是挺厉害的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2083023>碳纤维主要还是应用在大型飞机上,而且现代的大型客机有钛合金和碳纤维两种,各有千秋。<BR>但是与隐身战斗机关系不大,隐身战斗机的蒙皮仍然是以钛合金和复合材料为主,碳纤维用在几个操纵面上。<BR>隐身涂料的炭基复合材料与碳纤维没有必然的联系。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2083099>不要相信所谓的高科技,如果真正的战争打起来了,损耗是相当大的,战略储备是否足够,作战人员是否充足,军工是否能及时补充作战装备。特别是大国之战,那是需要全民动员,当然现在全世界都在讲和平与发展是主旋律,我们也是讲和谐的,我们也想和平崛起,但人家能让我们发展吗?一句话:你有实力,你也要有展示这个实力的意志,人家才信服你,才不会时常来挑衅你。前几天小日本首相叫嚣,时刻准备着。。。想干啥哩,丫的想找死,不要以为有你MD干爹罩着,我就不敢弄死你。二战后,我们本着以德报怨,都是黄种皮肤,大家一起和谐。现在长了几颗犬牙,到处乱咬人。。。我看是时候未到,早晚有个清算!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2084149>汉和:俄米格-29和中国枭龙争夺斯里兰卡订单 <BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/27/c_12705546.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/27/c_12705546.htm</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>ZT:中国四代发动机已试制交付2台:采用三维矢量喷管<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;捷报频传,2009年8月31日,中航工业红林在 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>哒哒哒嘀嘀 发表于 2010-10-28 08:28 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2083979&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3828398335140548 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 这是!!! 这消息太劲爆了!<BR>但是26平均年龄,我很担心啊&nbsp;&nbsp;毕竟太年轻了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2085367>我空军与中航工业将探讨<STRONG>新一代教练机发展需求</STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年10月28日 16:56:59  来源: 人民网 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/28/c_12712921.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/28/c_12712921.htm</FONT></A>&nbsp;<BR> 1.jpg <BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2009年6月8日,国产“猎鹰”05架超音速高级教练机在江西南昌首飞成功。图片来源:中航工业洪都<BR>  “军事飞行训练国际交流议·2010(MFTC·2010)”将于11月14日至15日在广东省珠海市举办。<BR><BR>  会议由中国人民解放军空军和中国航空工业集团公司联合主办,<STRONG>将重点讨论面向未来的军事飞行人员教育训练和教练机体制,交流各国空军飞行训练体系和教练机装备的现状与未来发展需求,探讨新一代教练机及其综合训练系统的发展需求</STRONG>。(记者 杨铁虎)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>这是!!! 这消息太劲爆了!<BR>但是26平均年龄,我很担心啊&nbsp;&nbsp;毕竟太年轻了<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>marx 发表于 2010-10-28 11:08 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2084328&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.5580003103523964 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>没必要担心,不管多大年龄做出来的,最后都要通过试飞来验证,枭龙进气道也是年轻人做的,用的很好嘛</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2085392>发表于 2010-10-28 08:13 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>汉和:俄米格-29和中国枭龙争夺斯里兰卡订单<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>天地浮云 发表于 2010-10-28 09:48 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2084149&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7573384007628212 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>等巴基斯坦的单子差不多了就好出口了,如果等得起,缅甸也不会选毛机</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>等巴基斯坦的单子差不多了就好出口了,如果等得起,缅甸也不会选毛机<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ggxxs 发表于 2010-10-28 08:13 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2085392&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.39104013988104513 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>老兄,有时就感觉咱做军火买卖很内敛啊。有时咱真的好好学习霉帝做军工行业,这个行当只赚不陪商业渠道,咱真要做好,消化多少就业困难啊。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2085423>发表于 2010-10-28 08:36 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2085423><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-10-28 08:41 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>老兄,有时就感觉咱做军火买卖很内敛啊。有时咱真的好好学习霉帝做军工行业,这个行当只赚不陪商业渠道 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>天虫 发表于 2010-10-28 08:22 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2085407&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>天虫兄,军工企业应该想这样很久了<BR>个人认为出口条例、营销手段、产能分配解决好了出口额就会大幅增长,珠海航展就可以多多宣传<BR>可喜的是我们在进步,出口的武器也越来越高端、系统了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;ggxxs <BR><BR>2010年俄罗斯武器出口额或破纪录 达到百亿美元<BR>2010年10月28日 17:25 来源:中国新闻网  ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>天地浮云 发表于 2010-10-28 09:46 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2085539&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>这百亿有三哥航母的份,明年应该要缩水<BR>现在毛子开始进口了,西北风和无人机去了至少11.65亿美元,估计还有其他的,毛子明年的军火利润不乐观啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2086436><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 天地浮云 于 2010-10-29 10:58 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>解放军成乌最新导弹导引头主用户 或已订150套&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年10月29日 09:02:08  来源: 东方网 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR>  英国《简氏防务周刊》10月20日发表文章,称基辅雷达厂展示了下一代空空导弹导引头,文章提到在本月的AVIASVIT防务展上,乌克兰雷达厂展示了其经过现代化改进的9B-1101K型半主动雷达导引头,而到目前为止,这种导引头的主要用户就是中国空军,目前,大约已有150枚这种导引头运到基辅-阿提姆工厂,在安装到R-27空空导弹后就将运往中国。乌克兰厂商还透露,已经售予中国一套完整的9B-1101K相关硬件检修设备,中国或许会用其进行“逆向工程”设计,但具体进展情况还无法得知。<BR>  <BR>  文章称,这款导引头是安装到R-27R1(AA-10白杨“Alamo”)空空导弹上面的,此次展出的这款变型导引头最大特色是采用了全新一代的组件,由此替代了起初大多数苏联时期的电子部件。基辅雷达厂的代表人员表示,9B-1101K是一款(性能)大为提升的导引头,但是这种设计的现代化升级并非是某种特定研发计划的产物,由于起初设计的组件不再进行生产,于是由更先进的组件替代它,达到当前的这种设计(水平)确是一种革命性的工艺。<BR>  <BR>  文章称,基辅雷达厂的一位市场官员表示,这款产品保持生产状态,与超过26个国家的客户有服务协议。但是9B-1101K导引头的设计团队告诉简氏说,这款现代化升级导引头的主要客户已经是中国人民解放军空军(PLAAF),大约有150枚这种导引头运到附近的基辅-阿提姆工厂(Kiev Artem),那里是R-27空空导弹弹体的地方,在那里这些导引头安装到导弹上,并作为一种全状态产品运往中国。<BR>  <BR>  文章称,到目前为止,基辅雷达厂相信,中国的工业部门还没有能力复制9B-1101K导引头的设计,虽然在已经售予中国的苏联设计的军事硬件中,中国有进行复制的倾向。基辅雷达厂人员表示:“我们确实售予中国一套完整的硬件设备,以便他们对这种导引头进行检修、测试和维护,但是对于他们使用这套设备进行‘逆向工程’设计,我们尚不能确定他们已经进展到了何种程度。”<BR>  <BR>  文章称,在所有前苏联地区范围内,基辅雷达厂仍然是这种导引头的唯一制造商,这就使这种导弹的全部现有操作员依赖乌克兰的生产方。一位9B-1101K导引头的设计者表示,关于为这种导引头在俄罗斯设立生产线的努力曾有过两次,但是都因不同的原因而搁浅;俄罗斯尽管与乌克兰政府提升了政治关系,但并未为乌克兰带来一揽子增加的防务订单,他们依然更情愿花上一年时间,发展出在俄罗斯当地生产某些系统的能力,而不是从乌克兰订购,即使乌克兰已经在生产这些系统,并有能力向俄罗斯交付他们当今需要的产品。<BR>  <BR>  文章称,基辅雷达厂已经处于发展数种新一代导引头的进程当中,它们将构成一条全新的生产线,并将与俄罗斯已经研发出的类似产品展开竞争。(来源:东方网)<BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/29/c_12714808.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/29/c_12714808.htm</FONT></A><BR><BR>============<BR>美国F-35A战斗机进行微波暗室测试&nbsp;<BR><BR> 1.jpg &nbsp;
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2088170>ZTCD,某个人宣称看到过丝带.....<BR>本帖最后由 zakuzaku10 于 2010-10-30 11:50 AM 编辑 <BR><BR>1# 跳转到 &amp;raquo; 倒序看帖 打印 字体大小: tT&nbsp;&nbsp;发表于 2010-10-27 17:02 | 只看该作者 <BR><BR>今天上午亲眼所见,CF确实试跑了某种新型号战机(610楼附拍的CF照))<BR>战机, 型号<BR>本帖最后由 rx8800rx8800 于 2010-10-29 20:57 编辑 <BR><BR>今天上午亲自去成飞调查了,不过机场围拦外车很多,怕有AA巡逻,所以一直没有机会拍照,外型可以透露一下:就是鸭翼F22版,不过不够光滑,象T50,感觉很山再,体现做工太次!尾部和SU27差不多,全灰色。<BR><BR>请勿删贴或锁,千真万确的事 <BR><BR>大家看看靠不靠谱吧....<BR><BR>转的,我在美言上也看到人说了 =。=</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>解放军成乌最新导弹导引头主用户 或已订150套&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年10月29日 09:02:08  来源: 东方网 【字号 大小】【 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>天地浮云 发表于 2010-10-29 10:51 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2086436&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 中国空空按弹院士的评价是差5年,PL12主动弹早大批量生产了,现在给丝带配套的也快公开了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2088749>刀版前面非常明确的说过了,丝带现在保密更加紧了,所以类似的“消息”必须在脑子里多打几个转,现在钓鱼的可不少</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2088848>发表于 2010-10-31 12:30 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2088848>根据楼里的官泄:<BR>丝带用的是咱自己的发动机,那些唱衰10爷的人不能用这个借口唱咱的丝带了<BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2088856>发表于 2010-10-31 12:39 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>根据楼里的官泄:<BR>丝带用的是咱自己的发动机,那些唱衰10爷的人不能用这个借口唱咱的丝带了<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>swiftosos 发表于 2010-10-31 12:30 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2088848&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>发动机不是问题,问题是全寿命问题,</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2088859>哈哈,咱现在是兴奋得不得了<BR>那个“达索公司”的谁说过一句?:飞机越漂亮,性能就越好<BR>要是咱的丝带“万一”比F22好看比号称是外星战机的F22还科幻,这叫那些唱衰党情何以堪呀</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2089554><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 tt902 于 2010-11-10 08:56 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>丝带想像图。<BR>&nbsp; 1.jpg <BR><BR><IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.meyet.com/UploadFile/2009-6/20096114292437020.jpg"><BR> 2.jpg <BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2089871>"飞豹之父":中国基本具备自行研制大型客机能力&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年10月31日 19:05:21  来源: 中新网 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/31/c_12722005.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-10/31/c_12722005.htm</FONT></A>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 中新社福州10月31日电 题:中国“飞豹之父”展望大型客机自主研发<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 中新社记者 张建忠<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 年过八旬的中国工程院院士陈一坚31日在福建理工学院进行了一场展望中国大型客机发展的演讲。这位中国自行设计制造歼击轰炸机“飞豹”的总设计师,被誉为“飞豹之父”。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 国际大型客机市场目前主要由波音、空客两家公司垄断。“中国民航业要健康发展,就必须摆脱国际飞机制造巨头的制约,分享民用飞机市场带来的利润。”陈一坚说,中国是未来20年对大型客机需求增长最快的国家,“更需要以此机会发展我们自己的大飞机”。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 陈一坚认为发展大型客机有四大益处:促进国民经济发展和产业结构调整;对科技进步有巨大带动作用;有利于航空工业产业结构调整;满足中国民机市场长期发展的需求。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 他说,中国的大型客机将以150座级客机为切入点并系列化发展,主要考虑此机型有广泛的航线与机场的适应性。该机型也是当前中国民航的主流机型,数量约占七成以上。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 陈一坚还预测,以250座级的客机将成为十年后的主流机型,因此中国研发必须考虑前瞻性,会将150座级客机的座位灵活控制在130至200座之间。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 通过国际间合作和“955”工程的实施,中国制造大型客机的技术水平和装备水平已有大幅提高。陈一坚认为中国已基本具备自行研制大型客机的能力。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 陈一坚最后描绘了“中国空客”的特点:客舱宽敞,气压与温度更适宜;节省燃油15%-20%,公里成本降低10%左右;废气排放比现有同座级飞机减少20%左右,起降噪声更小;采用先进设计、制造、材料技术及智能化航电系统。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2089937><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2085407&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3026#</FONT></A> <I>天虫</I> </STRONG><BR><STRONG>过两三年以J10的出口为标志,我国军品出口将会有很大的增长</STRONG><BR> 1.jpg <BR>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2092237>看来四代机进入最后阶段·今年首飞已经没有任何悬念</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2092528>没有“消息”就是有消息!根据我传统研制风格,这个关键阶段正是处于“此时无声胜有声”的时期。<BR>想想10的“解毒”过程吧,而恰恰是在这个时期,“钓鱼”的网络帖子将根据外界推断的研制进程不断出现,所以广大军米们一定要“不信谣,不传谣”,看见了也是没看见,不要为了网络虚名无意泄露了国家机密!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2092530>昨日,中航工业绵阳航空发动机试验基地正式奠基兴建。占地约2500亩,被称为绵阳“航空城”的航空发动机试验基地将用10年左右建成。建成后,将满足我国航空动力发展,特别是大飞机动力发展的需求,将成为我国最大规模的航空发动机大型试验研究基地。<BR>  试验基地昨在绵阳奠基兴建<BR>  目前,我国所有主力战机的发动机研制及其技术性能都必须通过高空台的试验鉴定。高空台,即航空发动机高空模拟试车台。“5·12”地震发生后,位于绵阳江油的高空台试验设备遭受重创,所有航空发动机试验被迫停止。震后地质灾害危险性评估认为,当地不适宜进行大的基地建设,建议重新选址搬迁。<BR>  2010 年1月28日,国家批准中航工业绵阳航空发动机试验基地建设立项。昨日,试验基地正式在绵阳市游仙区小枧沟奠基兴建。新建的航空发动机试验基地命名为绵阳 “航空城”。占地约2500亩,将用10年左右完成。由航空发动机试验基地、燃机试验基地、军民结合产业发展基地、科研办公区、职工生活区、森林公园等组成。试验基地将重点建设高空模拟试车台及其配套气源、电站等设施,以满足我国航空动力发展,特别是大飞机动力发展的需求。<BR>  投入运行后,通过对现有试验设备的搬迁和扩容改造,试验基地将拥有较为完善的试验设施,成为我国最大规模的航空发动机大型试验研究基地。逐步建成世界一流的中国航空发动机试验基地。<BR>  高空台模拟飞机的飞行条件<BR>  高空台是在地面模拟飞机发动机在空中的飞行状况和环境,对发动机整机和部件进行高空模拟试验的系统设备;是研制先进航空发动机及其改进改型不可或缺的手段。中航工业涡轮院SB101高空台,经过30多年的奋斗,依靠自己的力量,完成了设计、制造、安装、总体调试,于1995年12月通过了国家验收,使我国成为继美、英、俄、法之后,第五个拥有这类先进航空发动机研发设备系统和技术手段的国家。<BR>  高空台不仅要在地面模拟飞机在高空飞行的高度、速度的环境条件,还要模拟飞机平稳状态和在空战机动飞行中所形成的发动机进口各种畸变流动状态。不同流速、不同温度气流与静止的发动机形成相对运动,或高空高速奔赴战区;或低空高速飞行通过敌人的防空阵地;或等马赫数爬升占领空中格斗制高点……不同“压力畸变”进气装置、通过系统设备,人为建立发动机在全飞行包线内的空中各种工作环境,考核、鉴定发动机的设计指标与战技性能。<BR>  研发先进航空发动机,必须在高空台上进行大量试验,以分析、研究、验证和考核航空发动机及其部件的性能、功能、加减速特性、工作稳定性、空中起动特加力接通特性以及滑油等系统的工作性能。通过高空模拟试验,能够有效验证技术方案,为发展高效动力系统提供技术支撑。进行高空模拟试验,是航空发动机设计、改进改型、技术攻关、故障再现与排除的最有效途径</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;天地浮云 <BR><BR>我就是从事民航的,感觉咱们国家的飞机使用寿命和西方比短了很多,估计还是因为维修水平 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>wujimin 发表于 2010-11-1 04:08 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2090211&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3688386626330425 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>过去的运7运8都是按照苏联标准研制的,这个机体寿命是比较短,这是设计思想决定的。改开后我航空工业已经根据西方标准全面更新了新一代军民机技术标准,根据新标准研制的使用寿命都不错。目前投入民航的只有运7系列,新60.600都大幅提高了使用寿命。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2094968>中国成飞四代有准确消息了!<BR><A href="http://chinablj.blog.china.com/201011/7136571.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://chinablj.blog.china.com/201011/7136571.html</FONT></A><BR><BR>01是用来首飞的,02是测静力的,两架是一起进行机身机翼对接加工的,还是先做完一架再做下一架的?个人认为应该是一架一架来吧,那时间不就没问题了,01号不就可以在十月中旬以前完成组装?<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 这个消息重要性在于确认了成飞全新型号机已经组装完成了01和02两架样机,这可是全新型号的头两架<BR><BR>引用一则北航新闻!<BR>我校“翼身交点孔精加工专用超声椭圆振动切削系统研制”项目获好评 <BR><BR>机械学院张德远教授率领的团队十年磨一剑,经过20余年的“振动切削技术”潜心研究,终于在航空某重点型号研制攻关中发挥出极其重要的作用,得到了成飞公司高层领导的高度评价和航空工业集团公司顶层领导的密切关注,并向我校发来感谢信。<BR><BR>10月29日上午,原航空航天部部长林宗棠在中航工业成飞总经理王广亚、党委书记唐军的陪同下访问成飞,对成飞近年来的高速发展和进步表示由衷的赞赏。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 林宗棠兴致勃勃地走访了成飞总装厂、数控机加厂、民机公司等科研生产现场。王广亚、唐军向老领导详细介绍了成飞的生产情况和近年来取得的发展成就。每到一处,林宗棠总是停下脚步驻足观看,仔细询问了解,并连连点头,时不时伸出大拇指比划着,对成飞的高速发展表示惊叹和赞许。他说,自己离开航空航天战线已经 17年了,看到成飞的进步,感到非常高兴,他寄语航空战线上的同志们要按照周总理“严肃认真、周到细致、稳妥可靠、万无一失”的要求做好工作,并鼓励成飞再接再厉,取得新进步,开创新未来,为中华民族的强盛做出新贡献。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2095201>发表于 2010-11-3 12:26 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2095201>这封信出处网站已经删除了,貌似泄密了,我们还是不要大面积的传播了吧。该来老龙,已经很近了。让我们静静等待吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2095479>我想过段时间会有纳米图出现,现在都靠个人想像。<BR>目前有点多年前在舰船猜十号的感觉</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2097120>咱网天的大佬们能否跟成飞的宣传部门说说,咱的重歼亮相的时候能不能精心点,别整的跟歼十亮相时那么草率!虽然当时还没看09年大阅兵,那也是很扫兴的。弄了几串老百姓过节时的彩灯,加上一个布帘子,对出个模型。跟在食堂里边庆生似地,。倒是知道喷个烟,可接着推出来个模型,没一点气氛!<BR>咱不一定非学老美的宣传,但专业一点总成吧,不一定要请张艺谋,那个千手观音的导演张继刚就很牛啊,人家也是奥运开幕的执行导演呢,何况又是部队口的,就应该让他们这些人上啊,军队艺术院校那么多,平时占着编制现在到该用的时候了吧!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2097409><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2097120&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3057#</FONT></A> <I>happy77lion</I> </STRONG><BR>跟在食堂里边庆生似地<BR>不过很怀疑我朝丝带会搞Rollout Ceremony</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2097697>发表于 2010-11-4 03:58 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>过去的运7运8都是按照苏联标准研制的,这个机体寿命是比较短,这是设计思想决定的。改开后我航空工业已 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>布衣青裳 发表于 2010-11-2 09:17 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2092537&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>呵呵,我说的是我国民航使用的西方飞机<BR>比如我国航空公司的飞机一般飞20多年就要处理了,而西方的航空公司同样的飞机可能要飞30年以上,这个确实是维护上的差距</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>发动机不是问题,问题是全寿命问题,<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-10-31 12:39 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2088856&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>前段时间波音787发动机试验的时候喷零件,今天A380也喷了,西方发动机问题也不少 <BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>引擎发生问题的澳航客机已在新加坡樟宜机场迫降<A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/world/2010-11/04/c_12737920.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/world/2010-11/04/c_12737920.htm</FONT></A><BR><BR>新华网快讯:一架引擎发生问题的澳航客机4日已在新加坡樟宜机场迫降。
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 30px; TEXT-ALIGN: left">新华网新加坡11月4日电 据新加坡电视台报道,澳大利亚航空公司一架客机4日在飞越印度尼西亚上空时发生引擎故障,随后在新加坡樟宜机场成功迫降。</P>
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<P style="TEXT-INDENT: 2em; LINE-HEIGHT: 30px; TEXT-ALIGN: left">据印尼电视台报道,客机在飞越印尼巴淡岛上空时,一个引擎发生故障而被迫关闭。报道引述目击者的话说,<FONT color=red>事故发生时听到了爆炸声,飞机上有机体碎片脱落,掉在一个居民区附近。</FONT></P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>呵呵,我说的是我国民航使用的西方飞机<BR>比如我国航空公司的飞机一般飞20多年就要处理了,而西方的航空 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>wujimin 发表于 2010-11-4 03:58 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2097697&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>维护上面主要是人才队伍建设和投入的问题,西方飞机都是按照标准规范维保操作的,你能够达到要求,标准通过发放牌照,达不到那对不起,请外国维保公司来,飞机维保的安全标准不能有一丁点降低。<BR>中国民航飞机许多都是从“租赁公司”来的,服役一段时间后又转让给“租赁公司”的,中国20年和西方30年是经营思路决定的,求“新”求“快”是民航老总们的意识。<BR>西方民航讲究经营效益,尤其是那些“廉价航空”们,使用一些20年以上的二手客机,购置成本更加合算。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2098987>民机发动机的事是明修栈道暗渡陈仓。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2100256><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-11-6 06:20 AM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>民机发动机的事是明修栈道暗渡陈仓。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-5 09:14 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2098987&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀大,我们民机发动机除了大运那个还有其他的项目吗<BR>如果弄出20吨级的发动机,双发C929、四发400吨重型运输机都够用了<BR>上次有最大叶片的报道,估计是给30吨级发动机和更大燃机用的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2100508><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2098987&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3063#</FONT></A> <I>刀口</I> </STRONG><BR>应该是老消息了,看到师长发话还是转了<BR>表演队也承担战斗任务,各地互相飞飞互相学习,回去后带领队伍提升 <BR><STRONG>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------</STRONG><BR>严锋师长:换装歼10表演机后将首次与美俄比肩<BR><A href="http://www.cnr.cn/junshi/zgjd/kj/201011/t20101105_507272930.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.cnr.cn/junshi/zgjd/kj/201011/t20101105_507272930.html</FONT></A><BR>......<BR>表演队队员们不仅是“蓝天舞者”,更是“空战高手”。<BR>  表演训练,“极限飞行”是家常便饭,参训飞行员需要对飞机性能极熟悉,心理素质极强,生理素质要求极高,队员配合极其默契,驾驶水平可说达到了炉火纯青的程度。<BR>  “利用换装三代战机的契机,我们也对人员和机制做了大幅度调整。”严锋说,“今后表演队在表演训练的同时也将进行作战训练,并采取轮换制,每年从作战部队选调进2-3名新队员,以保证表演队的朝气与活力。同时,每年也有2-3名队员轮岗退出,返回作战部队,他们的驾驶水平已有了质的飞跃,对装备性能也非常了解,回到部队队后将起到种子作用。”<BR>......</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<>请刀版评评<BR>ZT:<A href="http://junshi.xilu.com/2010/1105/news_44_119523.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://junshi.xilu.com/2010/1105/news_44_119523.html</FONT></A></P>
<>截轰-14,想继承冷战时的截击轰炸机概念,在截击、制空、格斗、隐身、突防、载弹量和超巡速度争取能够超越4代,姑且称为4代半吧,大家帮忙提提意见,我改改。 <BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;三翼面、变后掠、四尾翼,主翼收起后与平尾形成大三角翼。单座双发,尽可能考虑隐身。部分不好看的翼面形状和蒙皮线主要是为了照顾隐身才妥协的。<BR><BR></P>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2101027><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2100977&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3073#</FONT></A> <I>刀口</I> </STRONG><BR>刀口兄,能不能这样理解,以前因发动机推力的不足,为了超高音速的目的,从而改变飞行体结构,现在解决了动力,从安全适应性,以后不再出现改变后掠度角的飞行体了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;刀口 <BR>刀口兄,能不能这样理解,以前因发动机推力的不足,为了超高音速的目的,从而改变飞行体结构, ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>天虫 发表于 2010-11-6 01:05 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2101027&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>变后掠翼结构复杂,增加重量,现在的战斗机已经不用了。<BR>隐身战斗机隐身是第一位的,其次是格斗能力,这对气动设计有指标性的意义。超巡依赖发动机技术,可以逐步提高。前两项最主要。<BR>从目前F22和T50看都首先考虑了这两点,所以,单纯为超巡而牺牲前两项是不可能的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>活捉说,新轰开始招标!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>大东 发表于 2010-11-6 01:14 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2101039&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><FONT color=red>招标</FONT><BR>不是定了个蝙蝠吗,好几家都想做</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>前段时间波音787发动机试验的时候喷零件,今天A380也喷了,西方发动机问题也不少 <BR>---------------- ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ggxxs 发表于 2010-11-4 09:11 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2098396&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>747也出问题了,西方发动机也不咋的<BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>澳航又一架客机迫降新加坡樟宜机场 <BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/world/2010-11/06/c_12743876.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/world/2010-11/06/c_12743876.htm</FONT></A><BR>11月5日,一架澳大利亚航空公司的波音747-400客机从新加坡樟宜机场起飞。据报道,继澳航一架A380客机4日在新加坡迫降后,该航空公司5日又有一架波音747-400客机因引擎故障在新加坡迫降。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2102280> 本帖最后由 marx 于 2010-11-7 08:39 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>http://img.cjdby.com/attachments_cd/month_1011/10110702000f2e4480f7c01c57.jpg 个人感觉这个图的4代是现在为止最有可能的形态,个人感觉发动机之间的间距再拉大一点,尾椎再粗一点就差不多了。<BR>是CD网友画的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2102555>都说四代是黑色的<BR>潜龙的大图不好转,大家将就看看 <BR>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR> 1.jpg <BR>图片:&nbsp;<BR> 2.jpg <BR>图片:&nbsp;<BR> 3.jpg <BR>图片:&nbsp;<BR> 4.jpg <BR>图片:&nbsp;<BR> 5.jpg <BR>图片: <BR> 6.jpg </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2103926> 1.jpg <BR>隔壁国风兄的图,搬一下</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2104170>只是传达一个信息。<BR>现在出来真身是要喝茶的,现在管保密的可是有的干了,这些人要立功升职全靠有人犯错误。<BR>最近公开的图片还有人到本坛要求删帖,真是讨厌的很。 <BR>大家再等等吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2104174>发表于 2010-11-8 11:25 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>只是传达一个信息。<BR>现在出来真身是要喝茶的,现在管保密的可是有的干了,这些人要立功升职全靠有人犯错误 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-8 11:22 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2104170&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3571768580985885 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>哈哈,有了刀口兄的话就足够了。前面也提到过保密意识啊。“这些人要立功升职全靠有人犯错误”,说得通俗易懂。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>只是传达一个信息。<BR>现在出来真身是要喝茶的,现在管保密的可是有的干了,这些人要立功升职全靠有人犯错误 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-8 11:22 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2104170&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8557218708761747 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 。。。透露下那个图要被删?</DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2104197><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 肉满多 于 2010-11-8 11:36 AM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>唉!中国的军迷还是比较郁闷的,到现在,每当演军事节目的时候:某型号(或新型)战机如何如何(画面是老七、老八、肥豹)、某型号战车如何如何(画面是59、96、)、某新型战舰(167、168、169)、某新型导弹(H2,H7),某新型潜艇(宋),等等等等,,,,,</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2104451>&nbsp; 无标题.JPG <BR>这张图我觉得很像。CD 第1028楼<A href="http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1004566-26-1.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1004566-26-1.html</FONT></A>&nbsp;&nbsp;刀大点一下?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>为什么很多想象图都把主翼后缘画成锯齿状?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>rockmaple 发表于 2010-11-8 10:54 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2104089&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8463849087801009 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>参考 B2,F117。隐身效果好</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2104664>新科技的突破很大程度上减少了对载体的依赖。很可能百年后传统的武器装备都将被淘汰</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>新科技的突破很大程度上减少了对载体的依赖。很可能百年后传统的武器装备都将被淘汰<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>cj30293 发表于 2010-11-8 02:02 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2104664&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.954778401610475 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>老兄你这张图片很猛啊!好像是老内</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2104871>那图和草图很像,啥样都不要紧了,靠外形吃饭,B2、F22已经吃不开了,别再老想外形的事,发动机等传统参数才是王道</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>只是传达一个信息。<BR>现在出来真身是要喝茶的,现在管保密的可是有的干了,这些人要立功升职全靠有人犯错误 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-8 11:22 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2104170&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.815341135946424 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>效果来了,小鬼子决定停产战斗机,买F-35 <BR>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>日本决定购买F-35为下一代主力战斗机<BR><A href="http://military.people.com.cn/GB/1077/52987/13155902.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://military.people.com.cn/GB/1077/52987/13155902.html</FONT></A><BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;  中新网11月8日电 据日本共同社8日报道,多名日本防卫省和自卫队消息人士7日透露,防卫省已决定以下一代战斗机F-35为主,在2012年度预算的概算要求中列入购买费用。该省将于明年年初召开机型选定委员会,正式展开协调。由此一来,日本也放弃了在选定下一代主力战斗机前追加购买现有的F-2战斗机的想法。<BR><BR>  受F-35研发工作延迟和价格上扬影响,作为临时应对措施,日本防卫省曾决定追加购买F-2或对现有的主力战斗机F-15整修后继续使用。但是为确保空中优势,日本决定必须早日引进F-35等具有隐形超音速特点的第5代战斗机。该省预计将购买近40架F-35战斗机。<BR><BR>  日本决定花钱购买第5代战斗机。受此影响,2011年度接收完F-2后,日本将停止国内的战斗机生产。<BR><BR>  这将是三菱重工从1955年被授权生产F-86战斗机后,日本国内首次的停产。F-2的主要生产商也是三菱重工,该公司的名古屋航空宇宙系统制造所小牧南工厂(爱知县丰山町)的生产线届时将被迫停工。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2107448>speed 在航空航天港发话了,潜龙的图“飞机再细长一点,机头再尖一点,主翼面积再大一点,就很完美了。”“不用想了,没有前掠鸭翼”“除了那个潜龙的方案,其他的方案或是设想,现阶段已经没有继续谈论的价值.”<BR><A href="http://www.9ifly.cn/sub/viewthread.php?tid=4700&amp;extra=&amp;page=1" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.9ifly.cn/sub/viewthre ... p;extra=&amp;page=1</FONT></A><BR>超大关于丝带的讨论也相当火呀,差不多形成共识了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2108071><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2107041&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3102#</FONT></A> <I>ggxxs</I>&nbsp;</STRONG><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ggxxs兄,今晚glock根据speed的意见,又画了张新图,我贴不了,speed说除了那张潜龙的图,已没有谈论的价值。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2108579>战斗机降落时,机头仰角很大,飞行员需要左右观察参照物,目视确定自己的高度,当然飞行员应该相信仪表,但是一般都要看看实物。<BR>如果边条翼遮挡住了飞行员是视线会产生心理障碍。<BR>格斗时,稍微一歪头可以看见下方的情况是必须的。美国的战斗机自F86起就一直非常注意飞行员的视野,到了F22才改成贝壳座舱,以前都是气泡座舱。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>战斗机降落时,机头仰角很大,飞行员需要左右观察参照物,目视确定自己的高度,当然飞行员应该相信仪表,但 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-10 10:30 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2108579&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>F22的视野没有以前好吧,好像是故意做成菱形的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2108745><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2103926&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3081#</FONT></A> <I>天地浮云</I> </STRONG><BR>此图要表达的信息还是非常明确的,双发矢量,鸭式布局,双垂尾..............</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>F22的视野没有以前好吧,好像是故意做成菱形的<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ggxxs 发表于 2010-11-10 10:39 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2108600&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.9366788074930223 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>比气泡式座舱差一点,但不是因为边条翼,而是隐身的需要,主要是飞行员头盔距离左右的距离小了。</DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>那图和草图很像,啥样都不要紧了,靠外形吃饭,B2、F22已经吃不开了,别再老想外形的事,发动机等传统参数才 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>路过顶起 发表于 2010-11-8 03:25 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2104871&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.42921353466991646 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>我国的发动机技术是短板,不靠气动弥补,怎么和MD对抗?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>高山潜龙<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>tt902 发表于 2010-11-10 08:41 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2108335&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.12376781787078222 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>汗,高山的CG确实强大,但是潜龙是CD一个叫Glock的网友制作的</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2108959>发表于 2010-11-10 12:36 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>比气泡式座舱差一点,但不是因为边条翼,而是隐身的需要,主要是飞行员头盔距离左右的距离小了。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-10 12:17 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2108883&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6960459220773032 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>的确是隐身的需要,这是老美的取舍,我们也会这样吗,或者继续使用气泡座舱</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2109201>发表于 2010-11-10 02:30 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>的确是隐身的需要,这是老美的取舍,我们也会这样吗,或者继续使用气泡座舱<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ggxxs 发表于 2010-11-10 12:36 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2108959&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3404731104716158 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>如果在前机身做足了隐身的功夫,座舱肯定是符合隐身条件的(三角形)。<BR>毛子的T50因为工艺问题,整体舱盖做的那么小,我们呢?应该比毛子大一点。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2109622>发表于 2010-11-10 06:53 PM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>如果在前机身做足了隐身的功夫,座舱肯定是符合隐身条件的(三角形)。<BR>毛子的T50因为工艺问题,整体舱盖 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-10 02:30 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2109201&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.16885387558336962 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>多谢刀大,毛子T50很悲剧啊,在我们这里只能算低端四代了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>效果来了,小鬼子决定停产战斗机,买F-35 <BR>----------------------------------------------------- ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>ggxxs 发表于 2010-11-9 02:40 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/FORUM/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2107041&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8981923089086101 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/FORUM/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>这说明美国的F-35项目,彻底冲垮了好几个国家的航空工业啊。很毒辣的一招。<BR><BR>现在又国家意志做支撑,建立齐备的航空体系的大国,就剩下美、俄、中三家了。美国最齐全、最强大;俄罗斯吃老本的基础上,苦苦寻求绝处逢生;中国是底子弱,但是发展很快,意志坚定。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2109723>发表于 2010-11-10 07:44 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>这说明美国的F-35项目,彻底冲垮了好几个国家的航空工业啊。很毒辣的一招。<BR><BR>现在又国家意志做支撑,建 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>sky700 发表于 2010-11-10 07:14 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2109655&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.3474672890084627 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>如果我国四代出的慢点,小鬼子可能还会自己做,这是中美两家的功劳 <BR>可惜欧洲也没有四代,只剩无人机了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2110471>呵呵,又见“钓鱼帖”满天飞,各个网站这么多的丝带帖,“真相”还是“求真相”?本坛坚持以官方消息官方报道为准为依据,是正确无比的路线!小白们的喧嚣终究只能迷惑一时。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>如果在前机身做足了隐身的功夫,座舱肯定是符合隐身条件的(三角形)。<BR>毛子的T50因为工艺问题,整体舱盖 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-10 02:30 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2109201&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.4594557477646407 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>请教刀大,我们的座舱盖技术如何,和F22,F35比呢,还有没有边框?以前好像材料都是进口的,镀膜技术咋样了?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<P> 2.jpg <BR><STRONG>兄弟们仔细看看!潜龙“再加长再细点”——不就是这样吗!我估计这图和真品之间的区别只限于主翼的翼形了,相似度90%!</STRONG></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2112086>发表于 2010-11-11 11:36 PM</EM> | <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=55947&amp;page=79&amp;authorid=77803" rel=nofollow><FONT color=#0000ff>只</FONT></A> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>happy77lion 发表于 2010-11-11 07:25 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2111583&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8597901028919528 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>或许这个倒来的实在</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>happy77lion 发表于 2010-11-11 07:25 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2111583&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.36107198876317026 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 这个JJ看着不稳重,不大气...还是潜龙的漂亮</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<P>看看这个</P>
<P> 1.jpg <BR>揭开先进战机的神秘盖头<BR><BR>进入中航洛阳电光所大楼,便有门卫上前查验我们一行人的证件。走过一尘不染的长走廊,穿过几道隔音隔尘的玻璃门,我们进入中航洛阳电光所的一间宽敞的实验室。创新发展部的石巍告诉我们,所有赴珠海参展的产品都将集中在这里进行总体调试。<BR><BR>这里四周是一圈计算机机柜和电气控制柜。在实验室的一个角落处,一个我们从未见过的铁灰色涂装的军用飞机机头和驾驶舱段赫然映入眼帘。它一反我们过去常见的圆弧线条的机身外观,而是由不同形状的平面和折线构成的具有极佳的反射雷达波辐射的前卫造型,极像大名鼎鼎的美国四代机——F-22和俄罗斯前不久刚刚试飞的五代战斗机——T-50。这就是中航洛阳电光所将参加本次珠海航展的重量级展品——先进战斗机模拟座舱。<BR><BR>几名技术人员正在围着座舱忙碌,舱内弹射坐椅上端坐着飞行员仿真人,“他”身着新式迷彩服,头戴飞行头盔,威风凛凛,面前是多块由电脑控制的彩色液晶多功能显示器。油门开关在座舱左侧,操纵杆在座位右侧。正在现场协调的中航洛阳电光所总体部张主任向我们介绍,目前一架先进战机的航电系统成本要占整机造价的一半,航电系统构成飞机的灵魂。这个模拟座舱估计是这次航展航电系统展位中最吸引人眼球的展品了。它集中体现了中航工业经过50年发展,在航电系统领域取得的骄人业绩和不凡实力。它分为国产玻璃座舱和仿真视景系统两部分。所谓的“玻璃座舱”,就是用液晶显示器代替传统机械仪表盘,屏幕根据飞行员的需要以图形形式显示飞机状态、飞行计划和武器控制,以减小飞行员的工作负荷。在瞬息万变的现代空战中, 符合人机工程学操作界面的玻璃座舱能充分发挥飞行员和飞机的能力,极大提高飞行员和战机的战场生存率</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2112909><FONT color=red>油门开关在座舱左侧,操纵杆在座位右侧。</FONT><BR>上文的这段话证明了过去说的四代是“侧杆”技术。侧杆主要是提高飞行员在高机动条件下高G机动的高抗荷能力。飞行员的坐姿近乎平躺,右手操纵杆,左手油门。<BR>这说明四代非常强调高机动性。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2112952>发表于 2010-11-12 02:28 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>看看这个<BR>揭开先进战机的神秘盖头<BR><BR>进入中航洛阳电光所大楼,便有门卫上前查验我们一行人的证件。走过一 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-12 02:03 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2112894&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.25272043854718973 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>果然视野比较好<BR>刚看到,刀大就说了啊,算官泄吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2113021>四代座舱不错啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2113127>咱们的这个机头比22都更夸张,基本就是个菱形。<BR>视野绝佳。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2113159><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 tt902 于 2010-11-12 04:47 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>兄弟们仔细看看!潜龙“再加长再细点”——不就是这样吗!我估计这图和真品之间的区别只限于主翼外侧的 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>happy77lion 发表于 2010-11-11 07:25 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2111583&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>应该差的不远了,鸡冻啊!<BR>潜龙加长加细版。猛龙的鸭翼,枭龙的进气道,侧卫的垂尾,加上这次露的座舱......哈哈,就是他了!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2113221>发表于 2010-11-12 05:07 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2113221><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 大东 于 2010-11-12 05:08 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>兄弟们仔细看看!潜龙“再加长再细点”——不就是这样吗!我估计这图和真品之间的区别只限于主翼外侧的 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>happy77lion 发表于 2010-11-11 07:25 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2111583&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>这个图的主翼的向后的掠角不太像吧!尾部双发太小了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2113482>发表于 2010-11-12 07:49 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2113482><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2113397&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3145#</FONT></A> <I>swiftosos</I> </STRONG><BR>四代威武!<BR>高位座舱和侧杆技术已经充分说明四代追求高机动性!这是无可置疑的。<BR>鉴于我们解决发动机问题存在一定时间,必然在隐身和机动性上有更高的追求。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=97423" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>ggxxs</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2113496>发表于 2010-11-12 07:56 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀大据说这不是最终版本!<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>大东 发表于 2010-11-12 04:35 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2113140&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>大东兄的意思是至少得这个水准吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2113503>发表于 2010-11-12 08:02 PM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2113503><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-11-12 10:00 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;swiftosos <BR>四代威武!<BR>高位座舱和侧杆技术已经充分说明四代追求高机动性!这是无可置疑的。<BR>鉴于我 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-12 07:49 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2113482&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀大,我们四代的机动性比T50那个可动前缘或者F22要好吧,隐身、超音速巡航也都高于T50,和F22一个级别<BR>未来10-20年天空安泰了,加上要出的大运、隐轰,中国威武!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2113838>好像是航空航天港的老大说丝带收费用WS10A<BR>这玩意推比是9吧?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2113904>发表于 2010-11-12 11:49 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2113904><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2113496&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3147#</FONT></A> <I>ggxxs</I>&nbsp;</STRONG><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ggxxs兄,Speed说实际用的比这好。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2113947>发表于 2010-11-13 12:32 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;ggxxs <BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; ggxxs兄,Speed说实际用的比这好。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>大东 发表于 2010-11-12 11:49 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2113904&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>这个只是外形差不多,至少四代的表面应该是亚光的,里面是模拟器,座舱内部估计比四代差点<BR>期待2011.1.11外交部一句话新闻</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2113978>发表于 2010-11-13 01:19 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;swiftosos <BR>四代威武!<BR>高位座舱和侧杆技术已经充分说明四代追求高机动性!这是无可置疑的。<BR>鉴于我 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-12 07:49 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2113482&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 张绍忠不是说高机动性没啥用么? 即便如此还是要高机动?<BR>是说原本就是4代的基本要求,还是故意在基本要求上强调的啊?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2114192>发表于 2010-11-13 09:31 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114192>军方:歼-10核心机密在座舱 不会公开展示<BR><A href="http://mil.news.sohu.com/20101112/n277567454.shtml" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://mil.news.sohu.com/20101112/n277567454.shtml</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>军方:歼-10核心机密在座舱 不会公开展示<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>天地浮云 发表于 2010-11-13 09:31 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2114192&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>把雷达给抠了,仪表估计也抠了。如果是三上一下的,不装软件就行了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114313>官泄密了好!一旦中国四代战机形成战斗力,这是中国第一次在高端武器领域站在世界的前面,从根本上消除对我威胁。从《海洋论》到《制空论》,中国四代战机横空出世,岛链的对我封锁随机被摧毁。<BR>自从钓鱼岛以后,探索背后诸多因素,提供一个思路:<STRONG>钓鱼岛的解决时间延续性和四代战机形成战斗力的时间点到时有没有重合的可能性。</STRONG></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114326>对于领土的主权,唯有战争是解决根本的最佳途径。对于琉球、钓鱼岛、藏南地区的领土,就是明确告诉鬼子和阿三,只要需要采取战争的手段收回我领土主权,我们的超越的军事准备就是它们放弃战争的企图,同样说明战争是和平的重要保障。<BR>中国四代战机形成战斗力以后,从根本上消除我对领土的收回爆发战争的可能性。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114341>中国四代战机形成战斗力以后,在隔壁贴说明支持日本和印度入常条件时,作为单纯中国要求。一旦成军,随之中国不在考虑此选项。反而会在其他领域讨论入常开价的条件</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114352><A href="http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1010250-5-1.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1010250-5-1.html</FONT></A><BR>看看这里185楼的四代机外形,特征跟各位老大泄的差不多哦</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>把雷达给抠了,仪表估计也抠了。如果是三上一下的,不装软件就行了。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-13 10:02 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2114247&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7173197887834326 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀大,洛阳那个很像四代的模拟器,机头上菱形是什么啊,不会是让观众看到里面吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2114390>发表于 2010-11-13 11:25 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>张绍忠不是说高机动性没啥用么? 即便如此还是要高机动?<BR>是说原本就是4代的基本要求,还是故意在 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>marx 发表于 2010-11-13 01:19 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2113978&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.43481298152529995 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>他应该知道侧杆技术意味着就是高机动性!<BR>什么是高机动性?<BR>反应到人体就是如何适应瞬间的高过载,我们都坐过汽车,汽车高速转弯时,我们感觉来自转弯一侧的力量,这个力量如果有一个人那么大,就是一个G。飞机如果拉出8个G,就是身上瞬间压过来8个人体重的力量。现在战斗机最高可以拉到9个G!人的心脏承受极大的压力,会产生供血不足,飞行员就会产生“黑视”甚至昏厥。<BR>侧杆技术就是让人基本平躺在座椅上,减少心脏的压力,这个时候,原来设计放在两腿中间的驾驶杆手就够不着了,如果把驾驶杆放在右手边,油门在左手边,就可以在平躺的姿态下操作飞机。<BR>因此我们看见的这个驾驶舱里的侧杆技术,就是高机动性的标志性的抗高过载技术!<BR>当然我们坐汽车体会的过载很轻微,我说的就是这个意思。<BR>老张几次改口,主要是政治原因。另外,国防部发言人表示压力很大,从某种意义上说,这些发言人,呵呵!怎么说呢?并不对纳税人负责。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114400>补充一点,驾驶歼十的严峰师长说过,他飞歼十最高也就5-6个G。<BR>我们知道,严峰飞过F22的“猫鼬”,就是飞机不到100米转了个360度的弯,非常非常非常的漂亮,但是这个动作不过是5个G。<BR>9个G是瞬间的机动!更加的凌厉!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114407><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 marx 于 2010-11-13 11:35 AM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>他应该知道侧杆技术意味着就是高机动性!<BR>什么是高机动性?<BR>反应到人体就是如何适应瞬间的高过载,我们 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-13 11:25 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2114390&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.07541056683033176 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 当然了,如果不损失其他性能,那高机动也是好事<BR>主要老张说的是头头是道啊,太能忽悠了。。<BR><BR>话说这侧杆技术,模式不同了,以后飞行员训练就完全不同了么?好像动画片里面那些开机器人的。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀大,丝带的高机动,能达到这个F22猫鼬的水准吗?<BR>当然同时不要在隐身性能上做出牺牲就好..... ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>zakuzaku10 发表于 2010-11-13 12:15 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2114490&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.2337509578224588 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 我想刀大的意思是说丝带9G是不成问题的。。不然就不会考虑用侧杆了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀大,丝带的高机动,能达到这个F22猫鼬的水准吗?<BR>当然同时不要在隐身性能上做出牺牲就好..... ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>zakuzaku10 发表于 2010-11-13 12:15 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2114490&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6944125353895669 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>严格的说,F22的机动性能比三代机里的佼佼者好不到哪里去!我们的四代追上它的机动性不是问题。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114570>四代的机动,超速,是比现在的22要厉害的,因为WS15 够强了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114579><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-11-13 01:32 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>我上不了视频,可以请正义和GG等传个上来。<BR>歼十在去年的空军节上的视频,或者是某次飞行的,好像是啊, ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-13 11:55 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2114448&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8144349300072375 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<>搜了下,没找到360度,刀大说的是单机表演吗,先看看吧<BR>J10拉起60度,然后侧转,机头指向很强<BR><A href="http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTMyNTY2MjYw.html">http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTMyNTY2MjYw.html</A></P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>严格的说,F22的机动性能比三代机里的佼佼者好不到哪里去!我们的四代追上它的机动性不是问题。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-13 12:30 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2114517&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.41325165936745733 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀大,F22应该是3家里机动最差的吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>凭心而论,F22在范保罗航展的表演,机动性还是挺不错的,动力强悍。<BR><BR>俺不会上视频,只能链个网址,汗 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>tt902 发表于 2010-11-13 02:11 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2114716&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.23684407289535292 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>很多动作J10也可以,看10B装了推力矢量也许比F22更好,四代就没问题了</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2114799>我感觉F22的机动性很大程度上依赖推力矢量发动机,本身的机动性并不见得很好啊。。。小白观点,大大们不要笑哈。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2115207>发表于 2010-11-13 07:25 PM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2115207><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 布衣青裳 于 2010-11-13 07:27 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>F-22的机动性其气动设计重点是超音速机动,亚音速机动主要体现在矢量推进的补偿上。它就是个终合破坏的产物,所以强调机动性的老毛子T-50和中国丝带超过它一点都不奇怪。<BR>-----------------<BR>为了超音速巡航,F-22付出良多,但是超音速巡航能力目前并没有吹嘘的那个能力,所以F-22是“得不偿失”。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2115226>要是给歼十装上WS15,估计也能超音速巡航吧。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>要是给歼十装上WS15,估计也能超音速巡航吧。。。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>zy9775 发表于 2010-11-13 07:33 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2115226&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.2564272529088511 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>在不开加力的情况下,最大发动机功率足够就可以。加力耗油太大,超音速巡航F-22目前貌似也只能是持续30分钟左右。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2115329><A href="http://bbs.meyet.com/viewthread.php?tid=224164&amp;extra=page%3D14." target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://bbs.meyet.com/viewthread. ... mp;extra=page%3D14.</FONT></A> <BR>最近发动机的事情沸沸扬扬,听说以WS10的核心衍生出了一个大系列的发动机,既有飞机有,也有船用(HM?),请问WS10的核心机性能到底如何?目标舰的心是什么?HM呢?<BR><BR>老龙:WS10的核心机发展了一大系列,最有名的也是产量最大的就是WS10A,也就是现在逐步换装的歼11B 的发动机.<BR><BR>我们的下一代的重歼也是用的这个系列的核心机。超音速巡航已经不是问题。<BR><BR>现在主要做的是改进,改进可靠性和材料的损耗工艺。<BR><BR>某个零件3吨的毛坯,成品只有十多公斤。<BR><BR>还有这个发动机的启动时间也要压缩。<BR><BR>航空发动机一般都可以发展成为船用燃气轮机..<BR><BR>我们的WS10也不例外。早就有这个型号的船用改型了。<BR><BR>航母不是用的这个。大驱是可能会用的<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;丝带的发动机用的是WS10的核心机?不是说是另外的高推吗?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2115470>其实我们最想看的就是歼十飞“眼镜蛇”,谁有视频发个上来。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>在不开加力的情况下,最大发动机功率足够就可以。加力耗油太大,超音速巡航F-22目前貌似也只能是持续30 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>布衣青裳 发表于 2010-11-13 08:07 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2115303&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.992083843961273 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F22超巡只能保持30分钟是因为油耗还是机体设计的问题呢</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2117611>刀大,这就是传说中的右侧操纵杆?<BR> 1.jpg </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀大,这就是传说中的右侧操纵杆?<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>哒哒哒嘀嘀 发表于 2010-11-15 08:12 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2117611&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.15522178989036645 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>这是一个实用化的玻璃座舱布局,主要是该所的玻璃座舱技术,但是,可以折射出,座舱的全部设计理念,进而反映出四代的整体设计思想。<BR>说白了,这个显示系统必须是与高过载座椅配合的,必须将操作杆设置在右手边上。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>F22超巡只能保持30分钟是因为油耗还是机体设计的问题呢<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>zy9775 发表于 2010-11-13 10:05 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2115518&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6199005355275029 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 超音速巡航即对发动机的最大军用功率有严重的挑战,又对机体蒙皮的结构耐热性是个挑战。超音速飞行条件下机体表面温度会急剧上升,铝锂材料是承受不了的,这也为远距离红外探测创造了方便。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>这是一个实用化的玻璃座舱布局,主要是该所的玻璃座舱技术,但是,可以折射出,座舱的全部设计理念,进而 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-15 08:21 AM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2117636&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 刀大。。 这个侧杆和我想象的有点不同。。<BR>我以为那个杆是斜着放的,整个杆是横着的。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2119456>发表于 2010-11-15 08:48 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀大。。 这个侧杆和我想象的有点不同。。<BR>我以为那个杆是斜着放的,整个杆是横着的。。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>marx 发表于 2010-11-15 07:42 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2119275&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>从这个模拟仓看到的是理念而不是细节,我是这样理解的。。。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>从这个模拟仓看到的是理念而不是细节,我是这样理解的。。。<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>zy9775 发表于 2010-11-15 08:48 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2119456&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>细节反映理念。<BR>细节是理念的外在表现形式,而一定的形式反映一定的内容。<BR>侧杆技术正是反映了四代的人机工程理念。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2119674>看空白,感觉像是11系,海筷子?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2120064>并填补了我国某机种的一个空白,具有里程碑的意义。——-从这话可以看出来就是舰载机!我国的机种就是固定翼的舰载机处于空白状态了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2123158><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 天虫 于 2010-11-17 04:00 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>对于此新机的认定我们可以采取定向排除法来分析。既然是军网授权发布的新闻,又是沈试飞大队。又是新机型,回想对李中华的试飞功绩,突破歼10的新闻报道,假若今次新闻报道是:试飞大队大队长、特级飞行员李国恩,新型战机的首飞成功,标志着我国新一代某新型航空装备的研制跨入了一个全新阶段,并填补了我国某机种的一个空白,具有里程碑的意义。<BR>按照对授予李中华的试飞英雄的标准,假若授予李国恩试飞英雄的荣誉称号,大概不会也不排除在三代战机范畴之内。<BR>结合目前研发当中的已经报道出的新闻,一是舰载机,二是四代战机。回想空军副司令员去年讲过的首飞又很快进行试飞。<BR>理智上分析是舰载机的可能性很大,但是还是希望是四代。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2123241><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=1336447&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>196#</FONT></A> <I>刀口</I> </STRONG><BR>重温刀口兄整整一年前说过的这句话:我们晚造了20年,F22的错误我们不会再犯了。对于我们的四代战机的值得期待。F22已经定型,假若再想改进,比起再造美国的一种隐形战机难上加难。别忘记了美国现在的财政问题。<BR>F22真正的假想敌就是中国和俄罗斯,特别是中国目前是处在防守一方,中国四代实现战斗力,就是完成从防到攻的战略势态,加快中国迫切解决诸多问题,毕竟一身轻干啥事也痛快。我四代横空出世,对于我周边好多烦琐繁重的压力,转眼之间消失和减轻,同时帮助中国加快目前正在进行的战略转型期调整。<BR>单纯从军事意义上来说,我四代在东、南、西三个方向不多设想只要保证对前出1000KM半径对要害部位的毁灭性打击的话,从而保证整个亚洲的安全环境,对于维护中国整合整个亚洲局势带来诸多便利的基础。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2123653>其实选个适当时机爆一点,刺激日本多买些F35更好,耗小鬼子的钱,还能断了它自研的念想,能废掉它的航空技术最好</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2124063>发表于 2010-11-18 01:41 AM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2124063><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2123158&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3212#</FONT></A> <I>天虫</I> </STRONG><BR>你讲了半天就是没注意人家说的关键词···· “新机种” 所以肯定是舰载机。没有其他。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2126374>发表于 2010-11-19 09:49 AM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2126374>很好,丝带机的空空弹出来了!<BR>=============<BR>我国空军新型导弹成功实现复杂环境下试验定型<BR><A href="http://www.sina.com.cn/" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.sina.com.cn</FONT></A>&nbsp;&nbsp;2010年11月19日 06:56&nbsp;&nbsp;解放军报<BR>  本报讯 殷伟明、杨树壁报道:10月下旬,空军某试验区组织某型导弹定型实弹靶试。在试验环境复杂的情况下,该型导弹准确命中目标,成功实现了复杂环境下武器装备定型。该试验区建立“分段试验、全面考核、综合鉴定”的试验模式,对武器装备全面考核评定,取得良好效果。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2126491>陈虎点兵:未来5-8年将是中国航空工业的决战时期 <A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-11/18/c_12786510.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-11/18/c_12786510.htm</FONT></A>2010年11月18日07:51:06  <BR>从国际形势来看,再过5年,我们周边的国家将开始装备美国最先进的4代机,而美国空军现役的3代机也将进入大规模换代阶段,美国的主战装备将由3代机改为4代机。这种情况对我们的航空工业是一个巨大的挑战。周边国家装备了4代机,美国的主战装备换成了4代机,我们的航空工业能不能在这一时间段内为我们的军队提供世界先进水平的战机呢?我们的“大飞机”——C-919再过3-5年将会进入量产期。进入量产期之后,这个机型能不能得到市场的承认,能不能获得足够的市场订单,实际上就是这个项目最终能否成功的一个关键性标志。所以说,未来的5-8年将是中国航空工业的决战时期,而决战胜利的标志,就是在这个时间段内,我们能不能拿出世界先进水平的<FONT color=red>新一代</FONT>战机,我们的国产民用大飞机能不能够走入国际市场并在国际市场上真正占有一席之地。未来几年对我们的航空工业来说是一个机会,也是一个巨大的挑战。对待这一决战,需要航空工业(航空人)不懈的努力,也需要全社会和全民族的大力支持。(陈虎)<BR>官方又吹风了?!5年!?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2127248>刀口和活捉俩位老兄很早就指出了霉帝F22的隐患所在了,就是F22为了其隐身那种腻子类似的涂料层了,类似于霉帝的航天飞机那种隔热层的防护瓦。<BR>俩位还解释到我们的四代是喷,喷和涂抹的附着力是俩个不同的概念。<BR>大家没事好好体会一下刀口兄去年说过的这句话:我们晚造了20年,F22的错误我们不会再犯了。<BR>对这句话我的理解是:对于四代战机上的理解,中国已经超越了美国,特别是在四代用途、防护、突防、制造工艺等等方面。<BR>假若我四代战机横空出世,在天基和空中形成中国的第一次具备在全球的优势。中国的真正突破口是从高往下的顺延突破方式,次序如下:天基-空中-海基。看到这个排序表,从某种方面可以观察出我军的建设方针,间接可观察出我军的治军和用兵的指导思想。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=45507" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>阿仿</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2127265><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 阿仿 于 2010-11-19 03:33 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>我刷过三年油漆,喷的油漆,表面更光滑,涂层比较薄,但浪费量比较“大”,满地都是,因为是呈雾状嘛,工人必须戴口罩;刷油漆,涂层比较厚,但地下干净,可以一边刷,一边闻松香味,哈<BR>刷的更均匀,因为手里有感觉;喷枪是来来回回喷,只要达到颜色 一致就行了,自然会有地方喷得多些,有的地方喷得少些。<BR>最后质量对比:大家看看汽车漆就知道了,喷的质量强过手工刷的,当然,起决定作用的,还是师傅的手艺。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2127325><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2127265&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3222#</FONT></A> <I>阿仿</I> </STRONG><BR>一看阿仿兄是个明白人。对于四代的隐身涂层,只要做好准备和试验,来验证其可靠性。在施工时对材料的预加热,表面的凹凸面规划,制定一种的喷涂操作程序,烘干措施等等,活大好像提到我们已经研制出来隐身的涂层用料了。<BR>我们的神舟返回大气层那种放热隔层那种网状状态,不知道注意到没有。四代机不会超过神舟返航的速度,假若看到神舟飞船那种防热涂层工艺牢靠系数,相信中国会在四代隐身上运用的工艺。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2127626>相信我们丝带晚那么多年出来,一定有不少超过F22的地方,期望30年后,咱们有领先世界一代的飞机,到时大家都能看到,很高兴啊</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2128620>其实真正可以期待的是丝带的下一代<BR>那才是我们超越的时候<BR>丝带阶段我们还是在追赶<BR>不过总有超越的一天</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2130989><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2130928&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3227#</FONT></A> <I>刀口</I>&nbsp;</STRONG><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 老大,我觉得暗剑只是概念型机,还不能做为第五代机的基础,有时候太超前的东西实在不实用。<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 第五代机的基础还是得从普通无人机发展。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2131157><STRONG>回复 <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2130928&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>3227#</FONT></A> <I>刀口</I> </STRONG><BR><BR>无人战斗机能进入实用阶段,估计还得10-20年吧</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>刀口和活捉俩位老兄很早就指出了霉帝F22的隐患所在了,就是F22为了其隐身那种腻子类似的涂料层了,类似于霉 ...<BR><FONT color=red>我们晚造了20年,F22的错误我们不会再犯了。</FONT><BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>天虫 发表于 2010-11-19 03:22 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2127248&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.19114237677747353 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>刀大引用的是航空人的原话</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>回复&nbsp;&nbsp;刀口&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 老大,我觉得暗剑只是概念型机,还不能做为第五代机的基础,有时候太超前的东西实在不 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>Skywalker007 发表于 2010-11-21 01:48 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2130989&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.6512720573824032 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>老大们说过,暗剑是淘汰方案</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2131463><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 ggxxs 于 2010-11-21 06:58 PM 编辑 </I><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>其实我们的五代机早就开始发展了!<BR>十二五计划基本把北斗布网完成,我们的无人战斗机也就做的差不多了,届 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-21 12:57 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2130928&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.38726413175565294 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>外媒报道了我国珠海航展的6代机,说是无人机<BR>-----------------------------------------<BR>Chinese Air Force's 6th Gen Fighter?<BR><A href="http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/?p=8609" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/?p=8609</FONT></A><BR><BR>(China Military News cited from aviationweek.com and written by Robert Wall) -- During the Airshow China here at Zhuhai, Avic Defense and one of the country's aeronautics academic institutions, launched a competition with the Chinese air force for new uav designs. The prize is to be awarded next year and to spur some innovative thinking.<BR><BR>On one of the Chinese CD handouts were a couple of concept drawings. Where they are from or what they represent is unclear, but they are nonetheless entertaining.<BR><BR>And with China already working on its J-10 follow-on, here's some fodder for speculation (the airframe, below, actually looks very little like what China's 5th Gen fighter is believed to look like, let's just call it the 6th Gen concept):<BR> 1.jpg </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2132440>驻西南空军战机<STRONG>近年</STRONG>曾赴高原远海实施导弹打靶&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;11月6日,驻守西南的空军航空兵某师数架战机,在雾霭中编队起飞,突破“敌”电磁干扰和空地拦截,成功机动至千里之外的皖北某陌生空域。“发射!”一声令下,数发导弹呼啸而出,击中目标。该师参加此次空军航空兵部队未知条件下对地突击考核,以优异成绩受到空军考核组充分肯定。这支被誉为“西南雄鹰”的部队,依托实战化、科学化、正规化训练加速推进军事训练转变,努力打造锐利威猛的蓝天利剑。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 记者翻开该师的任务表看到,近年来,该师频繁组织部队深入高原、远海、沙漠训练,执行导弹打靶、复杂电磁环境下对抗和海上训练等重大任务;5年来共参加体系对抗、联合作战演练等全军重大演习演练10余次;仅最近一年间就组织20多次战斗机动。该师还三上高原驻训,填补了空军三代战机整团建制高原驻训、首次担负高原战备值班等10余项训练空白。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 云海浪端硝烟四起,指挥大厅数据奔流。记者获悉,过去作训人员制定一份训练计划需要2至3小时,现在他们借助飞行计划自动生成系统,仅需30分钟。近年来,该师构建了包含380多个网络信息终端的军事训练信息平台,研发出飞行参数质量安全分析评估系统等25类软件,推动了军事训练从计划、准备、实施到质量评估讲评的全过程数字化、精细化、实时化监控。<STRONG>该师研制的空战训练监测评估系统,可以同步直观显示万里云天和地面高山深谷三维视景,同步量化分析空战要素,实现了考核评估由飞行技术评定向战斗能力综合评估的可喜转变</STRONG>。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 据悉,目前该师某型战机装弹速度已有大幅提高。神奇的进步幅度,得益于该师修订完善的近500个岗位、100余种装备的维护修理标准,形成的3项飞机维修保障模式研究成果。该师首创的某型发动机综合监控系统,获得军队科技进步二等奖。目前,该师战机完好率保持在94%以上,已连续7年被总部评为军事训练一级单位,连续13年实现飞行安全。(樊向城、特约记者李国文)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>有点不明白,如果到时候5代机或者甚至6代机这么依赖导航卫星的话,不就跟现在MD依赖GPS一样的吗, ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>zy9775 发表于 2010-11-22 18:42</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2133504&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.8227248499438888 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>我估计到那时会有一个类似现在《核不扩散条约》之类的公约来约束相关各方。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=postinfo><A style="FONT-WEIGHT: 800; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px" href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/space.php?uid=134491" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>zy9775</FONT></A> </DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2135544>发表于 2010-11-23 06:49 PM</EM> | </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>有点不明白,如果到时候5代机或者甚至6代机这么依赖导航卫星的话,不就跟现在MD依赖GPS一样的吗, ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>zy9775 发表于 2010-11-22 06:42 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2133504&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.32442066641879963 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 条约什么的不都是一张纸吗</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV class=authorinfo>&nbsp;<EM id=authorposton2135670>发表于 2010-11-23 07:31 PM</EM> |&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>有点不明白,如果到时候5代机或者甚至6代机这么依赖导航卫星的话,不就跟现在MD依赖GPS一样的吗, ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>zy9775 发表于 2010-11-22 06:42 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2133504&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.1613838617377396 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>全世界的小盆友看过来,谁有打GPS的本事呀?<BR>中国的北斗轨道高36000公里,美国23000公里,打的上GPS未必能打的上北斗。再说,打上一颗我就开始报复了,几十颗少一颗对北斗作用基本算没有。<BR>另外,我们的北斗等于捆绑GPS,你要打我的我就打你的,全世界能打GPS的国家顶多有三个,美国算一个,中俄算两个。<BR>其他国家,呵呵!算了吧。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2135686><I class=pstatus>本帖最后由 静等召唤 于 2010-11-23 07:41 PM 编辑 </I><BR><BR>新闻联播里说美国打了一颗迄今“最大”的间谍卫星,属于国家侦察局。<BR>那美国有没有可能把核弹装进去,到时候来个卫星失控坠落?<BR><BR>而且从画面中看到的火箭体积看,短粗短粗的,是不是说明其重量大,但是轨道不高?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2135797>《美称中国正研制歼-10B战机将配备新电子战吊舱》<BR> 东方网11月23日消息:美国航空周刊19日报道称,目前中国正在研制歼-10系列的新型战机,即歼-10B战机,而且该机将配备国产WS-10A发动机。除此之外,中国还在积极研发新型电子战吊舱系统。<BR>.......报道指出,目前,中国正在研制歼-10系列的新型战机,即歼-10B战机,而且其原型机已配备WS-10A发动机已进行过飞行测试。据称,WS-10A发动机将取代该系列战机最初配备的AL-31FN发动机——后者由莫斯科Salyut公司研制。<BR>..........但在当代,战机性能的主要差别在于机载电子系统的能力。中国行业官员表示,目前正在发展一条新的生产线,代替现在歼-10和其他飞机上所使用的主要吊舱系统。<BR>  报道称,值得注意的是,中国正计划升级KG300G电子战吊舱,扩大其频率带宽。而且,其还在研发新一代有源电子扫描阵列雷达,可替换飞机当前的机械扫描阵型雷达。一名中国设计师表示:“有源电子扫描阵雷达对任何战机来说都是一种重要的进步,其可大幅度提高可靠度和雷达性能。”(春风)<BR><A href="http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2010-11-23/0915620366.html" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2010-11-23/0915620366.html</FONT></A><BR>==========================<BR>歼-10B战机的电子对抗系统的“硬杀伤”能力(定向能干扰对抗),是中国机载电子水平的新发展,是同步于空空弹对抗的世界最先进发展趋势的。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<TD class=t_msgfont id=postmessage_2147250>美国媒体称委内瑞拉将向中国购12架运8运输机&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>2010年11月29日 17:04:17  来源: 环球网 【字号 大小】【留言】【打印】【关闭】&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR><BR> 1.jpg <BR><BR>资料图:中国空军列装的运八型运输机<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;·枭龙一举使中国成军工销售大国无数军迷期待<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;·巴空军飞行员称枭龙战机与F-16性能相当<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;·珠海举办航展14年 中国空军更加开放、自信、合作<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 据美国《商业周刊》11月26日援引彭博社消息,据委内瑞拉国内消息人士称,该国计划从中国购买12架Y-8中型运输机。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 据委内瑞拉少将Jorge Oropeza透露,委内瑞拉政府正与中方磋商,拟购买10至12架飞行时长达到7.5小时的中程运输机。JorgeOropeza说:“这些Y-8运输机将与C-130‘大力神’(Hercules)运输机一起分担运输工作。他们可从南美飞到西班牙。”不过,Jorge Oropeza并未透露交易的金额。<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; 报道称,委内瑞拉总统查韦斯今年已与俄罗斯和中国签署了价值几十亿美元的武器购买协议,以升级该国老旧的武器系统。中国今年已向委内瑞拉交付18架K-8教练机及雷达系统。(环球网记者李宗泽报道)<BR><A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-11/29/c_12828974.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff>http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2010-11/29/c_12828974.htm</FONT></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>全世界的小盆友看过来,谁有打GPS的本事呀?<BR>中国的北斗轨道高36000公里,美国23000公里,打的上GPS未必 ...<BR><FONT size=2><FONT color=#999999>刀口 发表于 2010-11-23 07:31 PM</FONT> <A href="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=2135670&amp;ptid=55947" target=_blank><IMG id=img_0.7386063452420055 height=13 alt="" src="http://www.xhclub.net/forum/images/common/back.gif" width=13></A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>这不仅是用什么打的问题,这其实又涉及到那个探测和跟踪的老问题上了,<BR>美、中、俄,欧盟,其他的别想了。<BR>打掉一颗800多公里高的风云,西方阵营就乱了套了。</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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